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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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church on the game changer radio network

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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all right

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welcome fade to black

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bespoke radio

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today's tuesday august 3rd 2021 216 days

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into the new year only 149 days left

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we are live

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from a bunker somewhere in the middle of

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nowhere that's right a total undisclosed

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but it is beautiful

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg are a the planet

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody

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how you doing

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tonight's

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mark sims

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been waiting for this

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mark sims is here he's here for the

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ufos contact et

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and the internet social media

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it's going down tonight and tomorrow

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night peter robbins is here he's back

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that's right peter robbins tomorrow

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night thursday night is another fader

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night with open lines

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and tonight but i posted up throughout

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social media today

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making contact

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extraterrestrials are here

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making contacts coming up august 18th

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through the 22nd i want you to visit

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makingcontact.com

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the promo code for you is jimmy save 100

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i think it's all uh uppercase

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you can try lowercase if it doesn't work

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jimmy save 100 uppercase 100 bucks

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courtesy of mark sims because he's the

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so i want you to go and do that this is

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i want you to pick up the vibe

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that is going on and i want to thank

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captain ron

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too as well i hope he's listening

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tonight captain ron is amazing

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and this virtual environment uh we were

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whitley streeber he called it the island

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well it is it's an island

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but it's it's it's this it's this town

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it's it's got everything there

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you're gonna create your own avatar

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uh that you can customize and and do

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and and and head out and you are going

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go to the auditorium you're going to go

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in and you're going to take a seat and

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what 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd what what

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it's absolutely incredible so we'll talk

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about all of that uh when uh mark uh

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makingcontact.com okay all right we've

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in social media if you can't remember

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter

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hello to everybody on the bunker cam

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earlier tonight uh i was on

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aliens and intruders i think is what

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all right now let me uh as i get things

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let me let me look at my gifts you guys

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are the best oh land of the lost

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but that that back to the future

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is an eye opener so go and check it out

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all right let me get to the breaking

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last nanoracks llc and artemis music

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to beam a recording of composer claude

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debussy's piano masterpiece claire de

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that's right they beamed it up to the

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international space station and you're

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asking why why would they do that well

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as a non-fungible token making it the

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debussy published claire de lune

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in 1905 the space flown version was

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performed by hong kong based pianist

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all right it was announced today we saw

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which de blasio dubbed the key to the

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to create such a mandate and it will

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i'm not making this up this sounds like

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the onion this sounds like a satire

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website this sounds like a parody news

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a wall of ice collapsed yesterday

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injuring three visitors to the popular

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the pigeon forge fire department i've

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been to pigeon forge by the way the

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the titanic museum attraction

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lets visitors stick their hands in 28

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degree water to feel what the passengers

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that guests can touch

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somebody touched it

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it sounds like parody doesn't it i'm not

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making it up this is a press release it

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happened yesterday look it up

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look it up all right let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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the one and only

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michael ely today is 48.

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who's michael ely well i'm going to tell

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you who he played ricky nash

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in barber shop

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james hetfield today is 58.

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tony bennett today is are you ready

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95 years old and the straight cats

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bassist the one and only lee rocker

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today

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morris bb dickerson

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1949 to 2020

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he was with them during their height of

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success from 1969 to 1979. he wrote and

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played that solid bottom end to all of

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their hits including spill the wine

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the world is a ghetto he's saying the

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lead vocals on that cisco kid

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why can't we be friends

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lowrider

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and summer

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incredible morris was on stage in london

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in 1970 when jimi hendrix joined war for

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what would end up being his last public

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performance

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jimmy jammed for the last 30 minutes

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with morris and war

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hendricks

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died the next day

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morris passed away peacefully at long

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beach california hospital on friday

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april 2nd 2021

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after a long

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undisclosed illness happy birthday

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morris morris bb

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dickerson on this day in history 1958

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the world's first nuclear submarine the

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nautilus

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travels nearly 1 000 miles under the

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arctic ice cap

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to the geographic north pole

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here's your fader fact

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this is crazy too

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this is uh for everybody down under and

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even downer under than that in new

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zealand

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the clearest lake in the world

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is the blue lake located in

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nelson new zealand

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visibility in the lake is up to 80

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meters

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meaning the water is considered as

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optically clear

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as distilled water

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that's insane

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and that

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is your fader fact tonight very special

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guest mark sims is here

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and not only is he here for the first

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time he's an internet pioneer it's been

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around since the beginning

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and tonight we are going to talk about

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ufos contact et and the internet and

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social media so get ready for that mark

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will be with us at the bottom of the

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hour tomorrow night peter robbins is

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back

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time for me to hit this river moon

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coffee

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oh man

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fade to black blend

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i like my coffee doc

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i do man i could have sang in war

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locals

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i could have been back there cisco kid i

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could have been that dude

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to uh summer today speaking of war

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oh man

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it's just i mean not only does it take

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you back but you know to to the old days

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it does it takes you to a place and time

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and i get that but

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that should be that song

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should be played

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around the country the day schools let

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out the day that summer that that is the

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official song of summer

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all right

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tonight and i started to think about you

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know i'm looking at mark's history and

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and what he has done

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and it just took me back to a place

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including listening to war today but

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my history

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with the internet

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it goes back a long

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way and

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every step of it

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now

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this is where i'm gonna separate my

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audience a little bit because

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for most

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and i'm just taking a wild guess here

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but i would say that for most

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their journey with the internet starts

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somewhere in the mid 2000s and that's

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okay that's that's fine you can't change

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your age it is what it is

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but

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the older crowd

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for me uh my journey started back

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when i had lotus male

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some of you are going to go yeah i

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remember lotus male

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most of you have no idea because

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my first email

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that's right

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lotus mail and it was a big deal

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email

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what the definite what it even is

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right it was that long ago

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and

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but

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before i just

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stray off on lotus mail and and what a

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big deal that was

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right around this time

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1994

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early 95 94 95

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and yeah we talked about it now we had

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dial-up modems

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and all of that stuff and and

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i mean

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to do things like unplug your home phone

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and then plug in your computer right and

405
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then eventually you went

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uh to radio shack and you got

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uh a double plug onto your thing and you

408
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,520
could plug it both at the same time but

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these were big deals these were things

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that we had to overcome every single day

411
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right but what i remember

412
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clearly

413
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was the new buzzword

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and internet browser

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now

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00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,799
all of this today is just whatever but

417
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back then

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this was all new

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and i remember when i first set up aol

420
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and at that time

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at that time aol didn't have a browser

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didn't have a browser and you heard

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rumors there were you had some geeky

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friend or whatever that would talk about

425
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the internet

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you didn't get it

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you didn't really understand the concept

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of what the internet was

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aol

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uh you know you could install it and and

431
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and back then aol it came on floppy disk

432
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cds

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hadn't happened yet

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you would get aol like on ten disc i'm

435
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not kidding i'm not making any of this

436
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,960
up but anyway i digress

437
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i was trying to find a browser because

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aol didn't have a browser and i was

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desperately searching for anything ufo

440
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:17,919
related

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00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,390
you can type in ufo

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they had their news you could have your

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buddy list

444
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,360
uh there's you know but it was just all

445
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,600
it was all so primitive

446
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,720
and but it was fun it was new and it was

447
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,240
fresh

448
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,279
but i needed a real browser and there

449
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,440
were rumors out there

450
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,360
that were going on you couldn't you

451
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,080
couldn't if you just had aol and you

452
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,520
didn't have the internet you couldn't

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00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:55,840
search browser you couldn't install a

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00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:59,440
browser into aol a separate internet

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00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,400
account

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00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,799
and trust me none of this was easy back

457
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,679
then

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00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,320
and now you had to find an internet

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00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,440
company

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00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,039
right and you couldn't browse the

461
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,880
internet for an internet company you

462
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,200
need a browser it was

463
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,880
it was this crazy catch-22

464
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,360
but eventually

465
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,080
i got onto the real internet

466
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,600
i can't even remember the name of the

467
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,520
company but it was something like

468
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,559
pac-net or pack west

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00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,120
west net or something whatever

470
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,279
but i was able

471
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,120
to then

472
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:36,559
download

473
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,360
through all of this stuff you had to

474
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,360
seriously you had to download it on like

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00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,360
five floppy disks

476
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,919
and and each one of those discs would

477
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,919
pick up where the other one left off and

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00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,679
hopefully when you were done and you had

479
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,279
this other

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00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,559
thing that you had to have you had to

481
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,640
have like this joiner

482
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,840
so you put the five files in and then it

483
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,230
the fi and hopefully

484
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,230
that actually worked but this is the

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00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,760
drama that we had to go through back

486
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,080
then and then right after that netscape

487
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,640
navigator came out and this is all 94

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00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,840
95.

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00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,640
internet explorer and i had

490
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,000
excuse me

491
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,559
i had all the browsers on at the same

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00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,080
time and i started to search ufos

493
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,559
and each one of these search engines

494
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,559
they worked different each one of these

495
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,159
browsers they were different you would

496
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,200
get different results slapped

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00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:41,919
but what i found out very early on back

498
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,120
then was that the internet was a very

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00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,720
small place in 1995 you could virtually

500
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,279
see all of the web

501
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,400
all of it

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00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:53,840
in a week

503
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,559
right and i'm not kidding at least

504
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,480
that's what it seemed like found

505
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,640
paronette and it was a pretty cool place

506
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,200
to go and hang out but even there you

507
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:05,440
could read everything in just a few days

508
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:08,960
but i kept my search on every day ufo

509
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,120
into into netscape into mosaic container

510
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,559
you know looking for something new

511
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,120
but this is the crazy part and i know it

512
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,000
may sound strange to hear now today but

513
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,360
back then the groups the people

514
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,200
everybody was nice

515
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,919
for the most part they were

516
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,799
everybody was just asking questions in

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00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:35,520
and looking for answers not like today

518
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,960
it was no

519
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,279
everything today is everybody fighting

520
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,880
right

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00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,559
it's just one fight after another

522
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,440
negativity but not back then it just

523
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:49,200
felt different

524
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,000
but

525
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:51,679
here's the other thing

526
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,039
data started to show up different cases

527
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,640
new websites

528
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,360
and

529
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,600
of course but it seemed like every other

530
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,720
day and a new story was breaking i'm not

531
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,880
going to get into the details but

532
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,679
but i was constantly looking for updates

533
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,960
one of the cool sources back then was

534
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,000
rents.com yeah i know it's a different

535
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,120
story today but back then

536
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,640
most of you have never even heard of

537
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
jeff renz but back then

538
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:20,799
there were very few sources for

539
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,080
alternative news and rents for a moment

540
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,840
was a place to go

541
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,679
all right it's not it's not that way

542
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:29,760
today but back then right

543
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,200
and then of course there was

544
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,360
ufomind.com by glenn campbell

545
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,679
not that glenn campbell the las vegas

546
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,960
glenn campbell you can still type in

547
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,559
ufomind.com into your browser

548
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,440
and glenn's site his current site it'll

549
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,679
redirect you to there but

550
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,679
his site today reminds me of the old

551
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,600
days it's pretty awesome right it's just

552
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:52,960
a bunch of links it's pretty cool it's

553
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,310
frozen version of the original ufo mine

554
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,480
site and yeah it's cool

555
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,640
broken links and all but

556
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,880
the point all of this is

557
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:10,240
it's me

558
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:13,679
jimmy church in 1995.

559
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:17,120
it was a different place this was the

560
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,360
world of ufos ufomind rents.com

561
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,960
and

562
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,360
after searching the net

563
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,320
looking for updates on anything you

564
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,720
found out quickly that ufo mind was the

565
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,039
center of everything ufo so you always

566
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,279
kept gravitating back there wasn't the

567
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,279
internet was small

568
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,000
you know it was it was trippy

569
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,919
images took forever to show up on your

570
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,240
computer they would just blip blip blip

571
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,679
and you would have to wait in

572
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,399
anticipation for this flying saucer to

573
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,440
pop up

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right

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and uh

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the

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browsers because and if you were

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searching

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you had to have this is crazy to think

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about today especially the way that

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google works

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but back then you had to type in exactly

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the website

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you didn't get alternative searches you

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didn't get suggested

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you didn't get oh you were searching for

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no

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you had to type in exactly and i thought

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to myself

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somebody's got to come up with the ufo

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yellow pages uh uh

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ufo

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uh uh

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website yellow pages right it's totally

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backwards but back then there wasn't a

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choice i thought man what if there was

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just every website was in the yellow

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pages and you could look up what you're

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looking for at the website and then type

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it in

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that was our world

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it seemed so simple and easy it was fun

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but the world today is different

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mark sims is our guest we are going to

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talk about all of this the world of ufos

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et

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contact

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in the internet

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mark sims is my guest stay right there

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church

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the end of the internet i did i found

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the end of the internet a few times i

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literally did

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black and the game changer network

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and

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kgra the planet i'll be right back with

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mark sims right after this short break

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stay with us

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right now save 20 off a full four week

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is not

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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jimmy church radio

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[Music]

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all right welcome back paid to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight mark sims

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joins us for the first time

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tonight we're going to talk about ufos

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et contact

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and the internet

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talk about the impact of all of this

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with uh social media the internet and

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where we are today

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mark is a serial entrepreneur

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computer scientist and engineer with a

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00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,680
degree in computer aided design from

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eastern michigan university he worked

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for sun microsystems before starting his

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own business netrex

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191-1999 the world's first peer play

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internet security services company i

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don't even know what that means while

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running netrex he graduated from harvard

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business school in 2004 mark started his

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second business called nanorex an open

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source software company and then in 2012

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00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,560
he had his spiritual awakening while

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00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,359
attending a ce5 ambassador training

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00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,400
retreat in borrego springs california

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00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:36,240
this experience changed his life

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00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:47,750
retirement to pursue his new spiritual

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00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,520
calling so he started vortex llc a

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renewable uh energy company and he began

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00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,000
heading ce5 expeditions in michigan and

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california now there's two websites

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they're both over at

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jimmychurchradio.com that's mark

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00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,880
sims.com and of course

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makingcontact.com and i would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black mark sims mark you knew this day

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was coming

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00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,280
i did i've been looking forward to this

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00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,599
for very loving me on yeah you know this

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is great and uh before we get started

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though

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all right

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00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,640
i just wanted to see your faces i said

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that

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mark

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the disclaimer is simple it's just you

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and i sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,079
conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends

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there you go

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check mark approval

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now

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this is what is crazy

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um

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uh

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i i okay i'm actually before we go

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backwards

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i want to talk about our

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lunch that we had

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um

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00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,640
a couple of months ago and at the table

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00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,320
it was really funny

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00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,280
where i started bringing up

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silicon valley

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tech

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ceos and

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00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,839
my anger with some of them and my

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00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,520
delight with some of them and where the

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00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,920
internet is today and what tech is doing

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and

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you looked at me right in my eyeballs

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and you said

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i was one of the good ones they're not

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00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,680
all bad jimmy do you remember that

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00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,480
i do remember that very well jimmy and

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00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,960
and uh and i it was just so funny open

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00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,119
mouth insert foot you know and i i did

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00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,000
it right there but the point is

795
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,359
you were around at the beginning

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00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,599
so now that we got this out and on the

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00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,880
table for everybody to know how how we

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00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,280
got off on the right and wrong foot at

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the same time i couldn't wait to get you

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00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,320
on the show so we could talk about all

801
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,440
things you know spiritual and ufos but

802
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,560
of course

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00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,480
what brings the world together today

804
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,760
which is the internet now if we back up

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00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:19,040
and we go

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uh

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00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,000
all the if we take the way back machine

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to 1990

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um

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00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:28,160
before sun microsystems at that point in

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your life had you heard of the internet

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00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:35,520
uh before 1990 no i heard about the

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00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,800
internet in

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00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,640
1991 right around nine

815
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,880
just a year after that i was working at

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00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,440
sun microsystems at that time

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and we were

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connected our offices were connected

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with dial-up modems

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and then we moved to uh dedicated

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high-speed

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back in the day that was 56 baud

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dedicated high speed uh

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networks uh fractional p1s are what

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they're called

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and we were all our satellite sales

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00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,560
offices were all connected to the

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sun microsystems headquarters in

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sunnyvale

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and they had an internet connection

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and i was in charge of administering

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that those uh our our internet

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00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,760
connection or our fractional t1

834
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and the email and um

835
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ftp back then this was before there were

836
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browsers

837
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so the main thing that we needed uh the

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the fractional t1 for was to transfer

839
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files which we did with ftp and email

840
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,400
that was that was it and then it was

841
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,160
around that time that i started hearing

842
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,319
about this thing called the internet in

843
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,480
arpanet and

844
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,520
and then once i learned more about that

845
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:57,680
i was like this is the future

846
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,000
and i had this idea uh for business

847
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,560
because i saw the opportunity for

848
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,760
connecting

849
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,319
businesses together this way and it

850
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,240
would transform electronic commerce

851
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,680
now did you

852
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,880
uh there's that vision and i can i can

853
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,560
totally see that right because it's

854
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,720
fresh it's new and you're trying to

855
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,560
figure out a way to

856
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,359
take this technology into a mutually

857
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,079
beneficial system right

858
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,160
that that could uh

859
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,040
bring in commerce or possibly even

860
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,560
monetize it

861
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:35,760
but

862
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:39,440
did you in your wildest dreams expect it

863
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,359
to turn into what it is today oh no way

864
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:46,640
no way it was uh even back then when i

865
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,560
was aware of the file transfer uh

866
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,400
benefits to

867
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,359
transfer large data files

868
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,640
quickly

869
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,839
and email to do email um

870
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,920
you know that i thought that was

871
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:04,240
mind-blowing in itself

872
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,040
but

873
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:07,839
what we have today i had i really had no

874
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:11,119
clue do you remember

875
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:15,839
the first website you ever saw

876
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,200
yes i do um it was when i um

877
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,960
it was while

878
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,920
it was after i uh started my first

879
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,680
company netrex

880
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,920
and we were helping companies in the

881
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:32,960
detroit area connect high-speed

882
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,000
dedicated uh t-ones and fractional

883
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,640
t-ones to the internet for

884
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,119
file transfer and email that's primarily

885
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,520
the only thing they needed

886
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:46,160
and as i was doing that business kind of

887
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:47,520
ramping up

888
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440
um the web first web browsers came out

889
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,680
and uh you know it was

890
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,800
netscape uh had one of the first

891
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,880
browsers and um

892
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,640
boy it's been so long i don't know if i

893
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,240
could remember some of the first

894
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:04,640
browsers mosaic

895
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:08,160
mosaic yeah that was it

896
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:10,839
right good memory

897
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,000
mosaic and uh it's it's so funny you

898
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,920
know internet explorer and everything

899
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,520
else that we know about today that stuff

900
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,200
came later

901
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:21,839
and uh but yeah so what was the first

902
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,670
the first website i recall

903
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,000
um

904
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,319
yeah there was a company in detroit that

905
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,480
we connected to the internet and they

906
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,560
sold computer hardware

907
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,000
and

908
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,280
they had a huge inventory a warehouse

909
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,280
where they stocked

910
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,440
computers both new and used computers

911
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,839
and they put up the first website i ever

912
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,520
saw and they were a client of ours we

913
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,280
connected them to the internet and set

914
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,200
up their internet security

915
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,800
and site and that was the first time i

916
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,400
realized the real potential for browsers

917
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,359
and

918
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,319
you know it being a way to sell

919
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,920
hardware and software yeah and uh

920
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,200
for me

921
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,079
uh i tried to search

922
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,760
ufos

923
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:18,240
on aol

924
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,000
and i got aol before i got the actual

925
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:23,520
internet and they happened at the same

926
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:26,800
time i realized very quickly in a month

927
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,040
uh that aol wasn't the internet aol was

928
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:34,000
a a place it was a destination

929
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,880
but to get onto the internet you had to

930
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,760
go a separate route and i know it sounds

931
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,920
crazy today but this is what we were up

932
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:45,440
against back then

933
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,520
and and then mosaic came out and uh once

934
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,240
i heard about mosaic somebody told me

935
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,560
that there's this thing called a browser

936
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,400
then i went and got a separate internet

937
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,359
account

938
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,480
somehow

939
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,800
downloaded mosaic like on the five

940
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,400
floppy drives

941
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,160
and uh was able to do that and then i

942
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,760
could search

943
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,800
ufos and that was the first thing i did

944
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,000
the second

945
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:15,280
everything worked that was my first ufo

946
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,880
pics or ufo pictures or whatever and and

947
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:22,240
then i my first websites were all ufo

948
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:23,359
related

949
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:27,920
but then i i realized uh very quickly

950
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,280
that the internet was one thing and aol

951
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,240
was another and i just used aol less and

952
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,880
less and less to the point where i just

953
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,079
i just

954
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,760
stopped using it

955
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:40,800
yeah

956
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,000
i didn't use aol at all what i was using

957
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:46,480
was a thing called gopher which was a

958
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:50,240
precursor to the world wide web in http

959
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,119
it was

960
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,359
a protocol designed for

961
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,280
you know distributing searching and

962
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,000
retrieving documents

963
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,359
on the internet

964
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,760
and so that became a

965
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,920
preferred way for us to

966
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,640
upload files to a server and then

967
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,319
download them you know we were

968
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,960
constantly doing this as part of our

969
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,359
business of connecting companies to the

970
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,520
internet securely this is before

971
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,640
firewalls so the original uh firewall

972
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,040
program that i installed to as a

973
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,160
firewall was something called um

974
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,200
uh what was that called tcp wrappers oh

975
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,280
yes yes and it was this very uh ugly

976
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,240
piece of code that you had to compile

977
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,720
and then install and configure

978
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,440
uh with a configuration file it was all

979
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,599
text based and that was the first

980
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,599
firewall and it was open source it had

981
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,599
been developed i believe in by a

982
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,960
university

983
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:48,880
and uh and so

984
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,920
i was helping companies connect securely

985
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,520
to the internet before there were

986
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,480
firewalls and then in 1994 the first

987
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,480
commercial firewall products showed up

988
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,720
like checkpoint there was a product

989
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,960
called raptor that lasted for about four

990
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,680
or five years and then they succumbed to

991
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,760
the the pressure of some of the better

992
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,800
products uh the best was checkpoint one

993
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,200
uh or firewall won by a company out of

994
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,160
israel called checkpoint software

995
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,880
and we became a reseller because

996
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,520
we uh that that was our specialty and we

997
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:23,760
went back to all these clients that we

998
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,559
had set up with the internet and swapped

999
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:28,319
out firewall one

1000
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,839
in in lieu of their uh tcp wrappers

1001
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,640
and uh that allowed me to upsell and

1002
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,280
then i could remotely manage my

1003
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:39,760
customers firewalls from a central

1004
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,040
location from my office and this led to

1005
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,359
a thing called the managed security

1006
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:48,400
services industry which i was

1007
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:51,920
really a pioneer for we developed a web

1008
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:54,559
portal a web front end to allow our

1009
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,920
customers to access their their security

1010
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,319
devices they were firewalls initially

1011
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,160
and then we sold what were called

1012
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,480
intrusion detection systems

1013
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,079
and uh web uh filtering servers and

1014
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,280
antivirus servers for enterprises and we

1015
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,640
had a web

1016
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,640
front end where our customers could log

1017
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,119
in and see their security policies and

1018
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,280
we would collect the logs and compile

1019
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,440
them into these weekly and daily and

1020
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,040
monthly reports

1021
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,040
and that made us a target for an

1022
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:26,880
acquisition back in the day this was

1023
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:28,040
about

1024
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,559
1998 1999 when we had this full-blown

1025
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,040
managed security service offering backed

1026
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,680
up by a web portal for our customers to

1027
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,880
remotely

1028
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,920
uh

1029
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,559
look at their security policies and

1030
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,160
their reports

1031
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,720
and they would call a 1-800 number that

1032
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,800
was our tech support line

1033
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,119
and uh and we could handle their

1034
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,920
security policy changes over the phone

1035
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,480
and ultimately were purchased by a

1036
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,480
company out of atlanta called internet

1037
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,960
security systems and they were then

1038
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,760
subsequently purchased by ibm

1039
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:05,760
primarily for the manned security

1040
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:08,559
services offering that i had built at uh

1041
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,319
my first company netrex and uh and that

1042
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,200
um

1043
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,920
that was the only game in town back in

1044
00:49:20,109 --> 00:49:18,079
the day it was the only we were the only

1045
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,119
company offering a comprehensive

1046
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,720
comprehensive uh managed security

1047
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,480
services offering that could be

1048
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,760
outsourced

1049
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:27,119
and

1050
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,480
that i built all their documentation

1051
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,000
their marketing material on their

1052
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,880
website for their main security services

1053
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:39,359
is the same stuff i wrote

1054
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,559
uh and we called that e-patrol that was

1055
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,720
the name of this umbrella of managed

1056
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,720
security service offerings

1057
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,119
and i'm really proud that it's still

1058
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,800
alive and they're still using the

1059
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,640
documentation that i wrote they just

1060
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,359
relabeled it they put their ibm logo on

1061
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,040
it now

1062
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,240
sounds like you were a hardcore geek

1063
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,520
i was a super geek super geek no social

1064
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,190
i i you know what i i had some social

1065
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:11,680
skills but i was a geek as well

1066
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,680
no i can and and compared uh to what a

1067
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,119
transformation

1068
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,440
right today you're out in public you're

1069
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,359
glowing you're conversational you just

1070
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,480
want to mingle you're gregarious

1071
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,079
you weren't that you don't tell me you

1072
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,680
were the same person back then you were

1073
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,559
not

1074
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,640
well you know i was a young

1075
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,040
you were a gay kid and when i first

1076
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,359
started playing with computers and i got

1077
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:36,800
so

1078
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,000
obsessed really with programming and

1079
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,000
went to college to study computer-aided

1080
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,400
design and i learned to write 3d

1081
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:47,119
modeling programs 3d cad software

1082
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,400
programs

1083
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,200
and then after graduating i went into

1084
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,000
college or went into uh

1085
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,839
into the workforce working for sun

1086
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,480
microsystems and i completely devoted

1087
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,960
100 of my time to my career

1088
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,760
because i loved it and so i wasn't much

1089
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,920
of a dater or

1090
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:07,119
you know uh

1091
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,839
i i just i i worked and i loved it and

1092
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,040
uh then

1093
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,359
after about my first year of being in

1094
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,440
the workforce working for sun and i'm

1095
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,160
and just busting my ass

1096
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,880
i was on a business trip flying back

1097
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,119
from cincinnati ohio

1098
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,720
uh to detroit

1099
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,520
and on the airplane i remember very very

1100
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,160
clearly saying mark you need a you need

1101
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,800
to have a social life you you really

1102
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,760
need to start dating somebody

1103
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:40,800
and uh and so i i said you know the next

1104
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,920
girl that i meet because back in the you

1105
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,680
know back in that day in the computer

1106
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,559
industry there were no women whatsoever

1107
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,559
that i would run into it's all men

1108
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,839
dominated

1109
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,599
and so i just had never had an

1110
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,520
opportunity to meet a woman so i just

1111
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,520
said the next opportunity that i meet a

1112
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,599
beautiful woman i'm going to ask her out

1113
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,839
as long as i know she's not already with

1114
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,040
somebody

1115
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:05,520
and i landed at the airport got my

1116
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,640
luggage uh walked out to the parking lot

1117
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,960
i was this was in december

1118
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,839
and

1119
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,000
in michigan we had gotten some snow so i

1120
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,960
was brushing off my windshield and this

1121
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,680
woman comes up who's parked right next

1122
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,640
to me

1123
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,040
and she was beautiful and i just struck

1124
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,800
up a conversation with her as we were

1125
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,559
warming up our cars and both clearing

1126
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,800
our windshields and i said hey do you

1127
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,480
want to go out for a drink

1128
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
and i ended up marrying her a year later

1129
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:35,119
that is a great story

1130
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,200
like that right man that's a real

1131
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,839
manifest i mean that is

1132
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:44,960
wow

1133
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,640
yeah thank you we uh we had a wonderful

1134
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,359
marriage 27 years and uh

1135
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,960
you know we would probably still be

1136
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,440
married if it weren't for my my

1137
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,720
face-to-face encounter yeah back in 2012

1138
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,480
it was just too much

1139
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,880
now let's uh let's stay

1140
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,000
let's go back to this period though

1141
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,520
ed

1142
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,280
living this life

1143
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,280
did you have

1144
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,520
i'm you know the sun micro system before

1145
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,079
you retired the first time by the way

1146
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,160
mark has retired twice

1147
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,480
and uh he tried to get away a couple of

1148
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,800
times but they kept pulling him back in

1149
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,319
um

1150
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,200
but did you have an interest

1151
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,720
in ufos

1152
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,200
spirituality crystals

1153
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:35,920
well as a kid i was intrigued by the

1154
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,240
whole ufo thing of course i was a big

1155
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,640
comic book collector and uh

1156
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,800
you know i i was just

1157
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,240
you know

1158
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,359
kind of

1159
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,599
enthralled with the idea of

1160
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,760
extraterrestrials and flying saucers it

1161
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,839
was part of the popular culture when i

1162
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,760
was a kid close encounters of the third

1163
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,520
kind came out and

1164
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,680
then e.t the extraterrestrial and those

1165
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,760
movies i loved and i was a big time

1166
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:00,960
trekkie

1167
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,800
but i really wasn't uh familiar with the

1168
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:07,920
the more famous cases

1169
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,640
like roswell i didn't know about until i

1170
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,400
was an adult

1171
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,960
it wasn't something i ever studied

1172
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:17,200
i was busy on my career

1173
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,359
and so um it wasn't until 2012 in the

1174
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,240
spring of 2012 i happen to just be you

1175
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,319
know hanging out in my office in my home

1176
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,960
and on my computer looking at youtube

1177
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,040
vid videos you know random youtube

1178
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,280
videos and i came across the disclosure

1179
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,760
project from 2001

1180
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,000
and i watched the whole thing and i

1181
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,400
found it so riveting

1182
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,040
and the witnesses so compelling and

1183
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,760
articulate that you know if what they

1184
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,240
were saying was true i said to myself

1185
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,480
you know if what these people are

1186
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,520
telling is true this is the biggest

1187
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:55,839
story in human history and i've got to

1188
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,440
know the truth and that led me to grier

1189
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:01,599
who had organized that event and i

1190
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,040
learned then that he had

1191
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,000
developed this ce5 protocol and was

1192
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,480
teaching people around the world how to

1193
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,680
meditate to initiate contact and i found

1194
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,280
it very

1195
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,640
woo-woo and

1196
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:17,599
you know

1197
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,119
kind of confusing frankly how does

1198
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,520
meditating have anything to do with

1199
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,920
making contact um i found it

1200
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,520
counter-intuitive

1201
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,240
but i i decided to buy his books i read

1202
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,400
them and after reading them

1203
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,680
my i had my brother uh i have three

1204
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,440
brothers and a sister

1205
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,760
um and some of them are listening right

1206
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,680
now by the way i want to just shout out

1207
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,280
to them i love them dearly we had our

1208
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,079
first family reunion in 11 years here in

1209
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,480
uh in ohio california at my house

1210
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,720
it was just lovely so uh i just want to

1211
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,440
say i love them all and but my oldest

1212
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,440
youngest brother i'm the oldest of of

1213
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,640
the five

1214
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:57,760
um

1215
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:02,319
of 2012

1216
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,000
and he shared with me an ex a series of

1217
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,480
experiences that he had

1218
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:10,240
uh

1219
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,280
back in i think 2008 and then as a child

1220
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,599
that he never told me

1221
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,640
and it had to do with uh having contact

1222
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,640
with an extraterrestrial

1223
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,440
and seeing ships above his house back in

1224
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:25,920
lafayette indiana where he lives

1225
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:29,280
and for me that was like the the

1226
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,720
straw that you know tipped the scale you

1227
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
know for me because i was at that point

1228
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:36,799
debating on whether i would sign up for

1229
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,760
one of greer's retreats they were 2500

1230
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,240
bucks and you know i just found it you

1231
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,480
know i was doing some research and there

1232
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,400
were claims that he was like leading a

1233
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,599
cult and

1234
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,319
you know there was a lot of

1235
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,559
disinformation and bad you know

1236
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,400
bad stuff written about him

1237
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,640
but i found his books very

1238
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:59,119
interesting and compelling even though

1239
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:00,559
they were weird

1240
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,440
um

1241
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,920
and uh and i decided that i would you

1242
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,480
know i would go because my brother you

1243
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,400
know had told me these very

1244
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:10,880
very sincere stories and he was

1245
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,079
emotional about it because he he

1246
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,000
had never told anyone other than our

1247
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,440
father

1248
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,160
and uh he was just confiding in me and

1249
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,480
he just didn't know really what to what

1250
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,799
to believe about it all and he just had

1251
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,480
to share that story so

1252
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,119
i decided to sign up for greer's retreat

1253
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,520
it was a six day event in borrego

1254
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:33,520
springs california

1255
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:45,109
go and rented a car drove two hours to

1256
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:48,720
san diego to um borrego springs

1257
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,079
and participated in this six-day retreat

1258
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,240
where greer would take us out into the

1259
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,720
desert about a half mile outside of

1260
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,880
borrego springs this small town of about

1261
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,720
3 000 people

1262
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,520
and uh in the middle of the anza borrego

1263
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:06,720
desert we would meditate for about

1264
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,440
five hours um and uh we have breaks

1265
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,640
meditate twice for an hour and a half at

1266
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,720
a go and um

1267
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,359
and on the fifth night of meditating

1268
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,200
with this group

1269
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,359
after our first meditation i look i was

1270
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,200
looking up in the sky

1271
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:27,760
and the ship materialized out of thin

1272
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,440
air and when i saw that i knew without

1273
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,200
any doubt that was

1274
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:36,400
not of this world what do you mean i i i

1275
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,470
realized how big was it

1276
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:51,040
well it was this egg-shaped

1277
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:52,079
um

1278
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,480
the time

1279
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:58,960
i think now it may be something very

1280
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,640
different but at that time as i was

1281
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:04,319
meditating and listening to all the

1282
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,440
stories

1283
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,400
uh i had more of a traditional concept

1284
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,799
of ets in their craft that they were

1285
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,760
made of materials that were physical and

1286
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,000
but this thing materialized out of thin

1287
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,240
oh and and i saw the transition like it

1288
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,880
it really never fully materialized

1289
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
because it was moving in the sky above

1290
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,000
us and i could always see the stars

1291
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,920
behind it as it was moving and it was

1292
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:29,520
moving from about

1293
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,480
um

1294
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,400
a quarter of a mile

1295
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,359
above us in the sky down to the desert

1296
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,480
floor and as it got to the desert floor

1297
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,109
that's uh

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00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,440
i i've got more questions let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black

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i'm real jimmy church tonight mark sims

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we're going to do it all tonight ufos et

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contact

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and the internet

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social media all of that stay with us

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more with mark after this short break

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight mark sims

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is here

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this

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was gifted to me

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by mark sims

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i was showing everybody that last night

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it's uh

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it just stays right here by my side mark

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it's just right here

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and uh stares at me and uh thank you for

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that

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now

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um i don't want to get too far ahead of

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our skis

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i want to circle back to

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that event in borrega springs we're

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going to do that

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um but i i want to back up for a second

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because leading up to that moment we've

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got a few years here we've kind of

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skipped over were you um at that time uh

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hanging out on the internet how were you

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surfing were you

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a part of any groups

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you know what

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how were you treating the internet

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well i was really a business person just

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trying to help my customers connect

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securely and i was very busy i really

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didn't have time to kind of hang out and

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do any social networking or be on

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message boards or part of uh

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you know of of uh

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you know club online it was all about

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working

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did you know at that time uh you know

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being uh you know uh uh an internet

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pioneer

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that the two the number one search word

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was porn right we we all know that

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uh number two was ufos did you know that

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i did not know that yeah that's crazy

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and

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compared to what you know now like you

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know the fbi's website number one search

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term you know ufos right it's what

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people want to know today um it's it's

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fascinating to me knowing what you do

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now

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and what not only what you do but the

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world that you're in

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you know the social media uh

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sphere that back then you weren't a part

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of any of that

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yeah that's true i really wasn't i was

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just focused on uh

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trying to make a living and i

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i was really excited about starting a

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company

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after working for some i had been a

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paper boy when i was 13 and 14 years old

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for two years

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and i really enjoyed

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uh

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having a business you know i i did it

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all i took a a product i delivered it i

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took pride in doing that well i had to

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once a month go and do my collection of

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of all the subscripts from all the

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subscribers and then i had to pay my

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supplier the ann arbor news because that

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was the newspaper i was delivering so uh

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and then i i was left over with a profit

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and i just love the

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the power that came from um

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making money

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all by myself all

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and i i remember the first time i went

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out and collected

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my subs from my subscribers after

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delivering papers for a month

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i i wasn't prepared for all the cash so

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you know i didn't have like a paper bag

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or a backpack to hold all the cash and

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back then you know there there weren't

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credit cards or or digital currency

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we i had i i got you know a five dollar

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bill or a few three dollar bills and

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change for that for the month and i my

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pockets were stuffed with coins and and

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the one dollar and five dollar bills and

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when i got home

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i i took all this money out and made a

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big pile of it

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and i got chills i was like

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this was more money than i'd ever seen

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in my life i was 13 years old i got

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chills and i said i'm gonna be a

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businessman one day

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and and that moment i knew i was gonna

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one day start a company which i did

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the

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uh

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the other stuff um

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you know staying on the internet but

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then there was also you know television

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and

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some of the stuff that was happening in

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the 90s like

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the alien autopsy right and and what did

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you hear about that

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you know i heard about it but

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much much later i remember um

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in the late 90s i i think there was

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something going along

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you know coming up on the internet then

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this was when maybe facebook was just

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beginning and i might have had my first

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facebook account i really can't recall

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i do remember being in my first company

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netrex in my office in the you know in a

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year leading up to me selling the

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company and coming across a website or a

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youtube video with that and that's the

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first time i saw the the autopsy video

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now um

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the other

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part of this which we're gonna get into

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uh

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more later

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01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,520
but i always felt and i and i really

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mean this that

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up until very recently the internet was

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a kindler gentler place

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01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,920
right it wasn't a place of angst it

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wasn't a place of of fighting and

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01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,719
arguing that goes on anywhere and it

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certainly happened

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but it wasn't it wasn't like that for so

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long

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right it was it was a different it was a

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01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,520
different story sort of venue

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01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,560
yeah yeah the the social media wasn't

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what it what it is now at all

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um i mean i was just looking up facebook

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01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:30,560
facebook came out in 2004

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01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,719
and by 2004 i had sold my first company

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01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,120
and retired and started my second

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01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,400
company um and uh so i

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01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,440
you know social media was just budding

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01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,560
back then very sp what was it uh

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01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:48,719
uh what was the uh

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01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:51,920
first social media platform uh it wasn't

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my space my space my space i never had a

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01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,080
myspace account i didn't either i just

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wasn't into it i was just too busy doing

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01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,400
other things i i really wasn't

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interested

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01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,520
and so um

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01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,159
but what did interest me was the tech

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01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,840
and i always enjoyed 3d graphics and its

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potential to be applied

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in

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ways that made it easier to design

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things at various scales i was really

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intrigued by a book i read in 1986

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01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,800
called or 87 called engines of creation

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01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,080
by dr

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01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,320
eric drexler

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he was the first one to write a book

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01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,920
about the

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01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,040
uh

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01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:42,320
potential for advanced nano systems

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01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,840
and i read that book and it it really

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sparked my imagination

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01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,239
and i realized that it would be one day

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possible to build nano scale machine

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systems in atomic resolution

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01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,000
but that would require a new kind of cad

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platform that had never been created yet

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01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,920
in the world and i thought to myself you

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know when a company uh

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is founded to do that to develop a 3d

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01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:13,600
modeling system for

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01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,040
atomistic level modeling i would work i

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would want to work for them

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and so when i retired in 2000 or late

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1999

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um i retired for a few years and i got

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antsy i was still young and

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and uh wanted to make something of my

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energy and my passion for technology and

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01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,239
so i i decided to start

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uh nanorex this was my circuit second

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01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,040
business where we developed a program

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01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,440
called nanoengineer one

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01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,239
exclusively for the purpose of designing

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01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,199
and simulating nanoscale machine systems

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01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,360
like what people would now call nanobots

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or nano machines

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01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,440
so all of those like the world's

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smallest guitar

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01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,280
right yeah right

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01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,120
that was you

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01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:05,840
that was well well not you but that's

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01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,280
any any molecular guitars but we we did

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01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:11,760
other things that was really remarkable

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01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,120
i i remember uh seeing all of that and

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01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,320
wondering how it could possibly be done

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01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,480
but there was somebody out there working

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01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,239
on this there was somebody designing

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01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:24,719
this somebody assembling this

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01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,080
and you saw a need for that market

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01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,560
i did i thought that nanotechnology

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01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,880
could be applied to

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01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,520
solve some of the biggest problems

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01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,199
facing humanity

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01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,560
in medicine in energy production and in

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01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,640
pollution

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01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:45,120
absolutely fascinating subject for me

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01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:48,480
okay now i could talk nano technology

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01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,110
the

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01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:02,800
is for

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01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,560
somebody with a very severe coding

1631
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,560
background an engineering background a

1632
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:10,800
nanotechnology background internet

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01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,080
security background it's very dry very

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01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,560
black and white very pragmatic

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01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:19,280
for somebody that is doing this

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01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:22,840
to go to a full-blown spear spiritual

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01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:26,480
awakening that is that's that how did

1638
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,159
you how did you deal with that

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01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,840
well it um

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01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,000
what your listeners should know

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01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,719
at that time in my life when this

1642
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,600
happened this face-to-face encounter

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01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:42,560
uh happened i was an atheist

1644
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,080
i was what you would call a classic uh

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01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,159
material scientist

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01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,320
uh kind of a reductionist

1647
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:53,440
my my view of the world is that the uh

1648
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,800
cosmos and we and all life in the in the

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01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:58,400
universe was

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01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:02,560
basically a consequence of random chance

1651
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,239
and um

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01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,880
and uh this would be proven one day in

1653
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,239
science

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01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,679
but uh

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01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,000
and so i didn't believe in the afterlife

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01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:15,040
i didn't believe in a god um i was you

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01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:18,960
know uh very very devout uh you could

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01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,000
say as an atheist i was very outspoken

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01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:24,560
about it i found i thought

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01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,000
you know the people who um were in

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01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,040
positions of leadership and power at

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01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,560
the institutions uh of religion were

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01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,920
primarily

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01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,719
uh

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01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,000
controlling

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01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,880
people through fear and the dogma of

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01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,600
guilt and sin original sin and i i

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01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:45,280
thought that was awful

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01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,640
and uh

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01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:48,960
and not saying that doesn't happen in

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01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,960
certain cases but it gave me a very

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01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,400
jaded view

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01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:53,920
of religion

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01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,560
and um so there's hope for richard

1675
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,640
dawkins is what you're saying there's

1676
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,640
hope there's there's hope for neil

1677
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,480
degrasse tyson yet

1678
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,800
yeah oh well

1679
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,880
when you have a face-to-face encounter

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01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:08,800
with an extraterrestrial

1681
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,159
um well let me let me step back yes for

1682
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:15,280
me for me my my encounter

1683
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:18,719
came in a in the context of this six day

1684
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,159
retreat when i'm with greer and i

1685
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,520
am hoping

1686
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:26,080
i'm very skeptical but i'm hoping that

1687
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:28,640
you know i might just make contact

1688
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:31,920
and when i saw that ship that night of

1689
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:33,480
november 15

1690
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:37,520
2012 with 24 other people

1691
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,800
for me my

1692
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,679
my world immediately changed i knew

1693
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:43,679
without a doubt

1694
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:46,080
that they are here among us that what i

1695
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,120
saw was definitely not man-made it was

1696
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,159
otherworldly it was awe-inspiring and

1697
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,679
and what's more

1698
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,239
i would have said and i think i did say

1699
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,360
that was of a divine nature it had this

1700
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,480
quality of light that you know

1701
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:05,120
originated from within this egg-shaped

1702
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,320
craft

1703
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,600
that

1704
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,679
what was so beautiful

1705
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,400
and felt filled me with such awe that

1706
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:14,880
that i was awestruck i mean i really was

1707
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,000
awestruck and it touched me very deeply

1708
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,719
mark did everybody else see it

1709
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,120
not everyone it was only visible for

1710
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,159
about four seconds right right right and

1711
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,800
we were sitted we were seated in a

1712
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,000
circle

1713
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,040
and it was not directly above us it was

1714
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,480
to the east northeast of our location

1715
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:39,280
and so people who had their back to it

1716
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,719
did not see it it was pitch black nobody

1717
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,239
could see where we were pointing but

1718
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:46,080
those of us that saw it saw it very

1719
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:47,600
clearly and we were screaming and

1720
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,320
pointing and by the time people turned

1721
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,360
around some of them it was too late some

1722
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,120
people who turned around right away did

1723
01:19:03,270 --> 01:18:57,120
see it but they caught the very last

1724
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,270
if it began

1725
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,280
materializing

1726
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,520
and uh and then i saw it when it

1727
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:12,080
de-materialized i it was it was it

1728
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:15,440
appeared in my line of sight perfectly

1729
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:16,400
now

1730
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,159
i i understand the drama right it's

1731
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:22,400
dramatic this is a paradigm shift it's

1732
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,560
it's all of those things

1733
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,640
but truly

1734
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:29,600
how quickly did your

1735
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:31,800
your mindset sh you know

1736
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,120
instantaneously i my my reaction was

1737
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,480
elation

1738
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,640
because for me

1739
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,040
it was more than just realizing that

1740
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:43,360
we're not alone i mean everybody

1741
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,960
who hasn't

1742
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,520
had a major sighting or contact

1743
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,360
experience something that convinces them

1744
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,280
that et's are real and that they're here

1745
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,360
if you you haven't had that experience

1746
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:55,520
there's always that doubt and for most

1747
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,400
people who are skeptical they think like

1748
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:00,800
you know neil degrasse tyson

1749
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:03,120
that you know the distances are too vast

1750
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,560
for us to ever

1751
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,760
have to for them to get here

1752
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,120
and uh

1753
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,440
and and so that's a logical thing to

1754
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,480
believe it's rational but but there

1755
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:16,800
seems to be some way in which

1756
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:20,719
these craft or ets are traveling vast

1757
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,159
distances faster than the speed of light

1758
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,880
and uh and i believe that's through

1759
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,320
higher dimensional

1760
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:30,080
uh methods

1761
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,760
but i don't want to digress but the

1762
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:33,360
point is that

1763
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,840
um it is

1764
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,159
you know the first phase i went through

1765
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:40,960
of a conscious shift was just the

1766
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:43,120
elation that we're not alone

1767
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:46,960
and that made me very happy uh because

1768
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:49,360
we share something in common with other

1769
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:52,960
intelligent species and that is that we

1770
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,990
uh we're alive you know if if you have

1771
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:01,840
reverence for life

1772
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,480
um then you're going to be excited about

1773
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,440
the idea that life exists elsewhere and

1774
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,159
that was my immediate reaction it wasn't

1775
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,280
one of fear it was one of elation

1776
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,199
um so

1777
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,440
then i just wanted to

1778
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:19,760
ask greer and some of the other people

1779
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:22,040
who had claimed to have contact with

1780
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,400
extraterrestrials more about their

1781
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,800
relationship with et's

1782
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:28,960
it wasn't greer it's another older

1783
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:32,880
gentleman who was a doctor um and he

1784
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:36,239
claimed to have had a relationship with

1785
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:37,120
a

1786
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,800
doctor

1787
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,960
from her home planet she looked like a

1788
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,800
praying mantis

1789
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,480
and he claimed he had

1790
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,800
had a relationship with her for

1791
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:52,480
over two years

1792
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,760
and that his relationship began when he

1793
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,159
went to his first ce5

1794
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,159
retreat with greer

1795
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:02,639
so when i saw that ship

1796
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,679
and realized that they are here

1797
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,920
i immediately went over to this doctor

1798
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,320
and i said i want to know more about

1799
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,679
charmaine tell me about your

1800
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:13,520
relationship with charmaine and he was

1801
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,880
very gracious and you know very uh

1802
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:18,320
very humble

1803
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,600
and very sweet about sharing what he

1804
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,400
what anything i had to ask about

1805
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,239
his relationship with charmaine and i

1806
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,400
learned a lot that night and that's what

1807
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:30,239
i did for the rest of the evening until

1808
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,679
we left the the work field site in the

1809
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,040
desert

1810
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,679
we went back to our hotel

1811
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,000
and i went to my room alone and of

1812
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,480
course after getting ready for bed i'm

1813
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:43,600
laying in

1814
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,159
asleep i'm ruminating about the

1815
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,199
implications of this now that

1816
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:53,360
i've seen a ship and i know they're here

1817
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,960
in that it seems possible that you know

1818
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,960
members of the human family

1819
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:00,880
are in contact and have

1820
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,199
these deep relationships where they're

1821
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,600
learning things from these intelligent

1822
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:06,880
beings

1823
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,520
what an opportunity i wanted that well

1824
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,280
let me let me let me ask you a quick

1825
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:14,400
question leading up to borrega springs

1826
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:17,679
uh did you have expectations

1827
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,920
oh no i i really was a skeptic i i

1828
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:23,199
i went there

1829
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:25,040
i i if i

1830
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,840
if

1831
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,560
i i said there's probably a very small

1832
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,800
chance that i'm going to see anything

1833
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:32,800
and my chance of actually having a

1834
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,920
face-to-face encounter was next to zero

1835
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,080
sure all i wanted it was i would have

1836
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,159
been happy just seeing something that i

1837
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,880
found compelling and convincing that

1838
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,400
that is not

1839
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,679
a natural

1840
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,639
phenomena or a aircraft you know a

1841
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:49,760
man-made

1842
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,880
craft vehicle so i uh

1843
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,920
so that's really what i was hoping for

1844
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:58,080
and i was skeptical i really still was

1845
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,280
skeptical

1846
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,520
even after watching the disclosure

1847
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,480
project

1848
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,719
video with where these very credible

1849
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:06,560
people claim to have

1850
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,760
encountered et's and ufos

1851
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:12,239
now five days later

1852
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,840
everything tips over

1853
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,639
right

1854
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,280
i mean completely

1855
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,600
completely completely well

1856
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,000
you know in a span of

1857
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:27,040
about three hours i go from

1858
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,719
my first sighting and that shift of of

1859
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,800
consciousness realizing that we're not

1860
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,120
alone and not only are we not alone but

1861
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,920
they're right here on earth

1862
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,480
and they seem to be very reclusive and

1863
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:42,880
aloof what's that about

1864
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:45,199
and uh and then

1865
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,159
after

1866
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,560
tossing and turning and

1867
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,560
realizing there's no way i'm gonna fall

1868
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,600
asleep

1869
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,960
i decide

1870
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,880
to sit up in my bed

1871
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,080
and

1872
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,440
try making contact i i really felt like

1873
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,440
as i was laying there in bed tossing and

1874
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,199
turning i'm thinking you know that was a

1875
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,000
major sighting that many of us saw

1876
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,400
and my guess is that they are probably

1877
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,719
monitoring each one of us to see how

1878
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:12,800
we're reacting right now

1879
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,760
and i wanted to show them that i i had

1880
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,080
the courage and the boldness

1881
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,560
to reach out to them and that i wasn't

1882
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:22,320
going to be afraid

1883
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:25,840
and that i was willing to make contact

1884
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,040
face-to-face contact and that i desired

1885
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:30,960
this so

1886
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,679
so i assumed that maybe they're

1887
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:35,440
monitoring me

1888
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,679
and clearly this this

1889
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,000
claim that greer had made that

1890
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,080
meditating and setting an intention

1891
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,480
while meditating to make contact seems

1892
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:49,120
to work that there's a cause and effect

1893
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:52,840
relationship between meditating and them

1894
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,040
responding so there's something with

1895
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:57,600
consciousness that we're communicating

1896
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,360
we're initiating that call for contact

1897
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,840
through a meditative practice and that's

1898
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,000
mind-blowing in its own

1899
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,199
and and now that i knew that that was a

1900
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,679
fact that it was working that it had

1901
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:13,840
worked and resulted in this major

1902
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,880
sighting

1903
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,120
i decided that i would sit up and

1904
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,080
meditate in my bed and make a sincere

1905
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,600
effort to to establish contact with an

1906
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:25,679
extraterrestrial and that if they showed

1907
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:27,679
up in my room that i wasn't going to

1908
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,400
freak out and so i i thought of a

1909
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,400
greeting that i would

1910
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,679
make in the unlikely event that an et

1911
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,840
would show up in my hotel room

1912
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,480
and it had three components

1913
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,239
the first thing i wanted to let them

1914
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,880
know is that i was very grateful and

1915
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,800
honored that they would

1916
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,120
respond to my call

1917
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,320
two that i desired a relationship now

1918
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,520
that i knew that people like this doctor

1919
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:58,159
and and greer himself claimed to have

1920
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,040
met

1921
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,480
and had relationships with

1922
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:02,159
extraterrestrials

1923
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,679
i now believe that that was a

1924
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,000
possibility and i wanted that intention

1925
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:07,679
to be known that i desired a

1926
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,280
relationship

1927
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,360
and set and thirdly

1928
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,600
i remembered something that greer had

1929
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,679
said to our group earlier in the week

1930
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,840
and that was that it's very important

1931
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:20,000
for you to give them permission to show

1932
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,040
up

1933
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,600
that they are operating basically on

1934
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,360
what's called the prime directive

1935
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,440
principle how to star trek

1936
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,120
and so

1937
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:30,639
if you really want a face-to-face

1938
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,920
contact it's very critical that you say

1939
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,159
i welcome you here i give you permission

1940
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,000
to show up

1941
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,000
and uh and so those were the three

1942
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,320
things i wanted to say is that i give

1943
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,159
them permission to

1944
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,320
to that i trust them to do with me and

1945
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,080
my body anything that they choose

1946
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,080
because i wanted to be taken on board a

1947
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,080
craft no no

1948
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:54,560
right right right here

1949
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:58,239
i'm going to pause because i want to

1950
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,920
hear the rest of this when we come back

1951
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,280
after the break

1952
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,719
but

1953
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:04,400
you know this sounds like crazy town

1954
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:05,840
right

1955
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,719
and

1956
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:10,800
were you um

1957
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:14,159
were you thinking to yourself

1958
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,719
am i nuts

1959
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:19,120
am i going crazy

1960
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,360
you know i i wasn't until he appeared in

1961
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,840
and then what happened late a few

1962
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minutes after he appeared in my room

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then i started wondering if i was going

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crazy okay and that's a great honest and

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reflective response

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and answer let's take our break right

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here this is fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church our guest tonight the

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one and only mark sims

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an incredible life's journey we're going

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to continue all of this it is

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ufo's e.t contact and the internet

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all of that with mark sims we'll be

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right back after this short break stay

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight mark sims is

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here more with mark

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right after this short break and uh

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because right now i need to talk to you

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about virtual shield

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now especially after listening to mark

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you know he knows about internet

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security and where we are today with all

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we live in today and it's all simple to

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like i said

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mark sims knows about internet security

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so with that let's uh you know what's

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01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:12,560
really funny right as i said that

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mark got up and walked away

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and and i'm wondering right now if he

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what was that

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well uh my dog is um very demanding

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what kind of attention what kind of dog

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do you have

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i have a husky german shepherd mix named

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bingo oh where where is he at

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well he's uh outside that's why i had to

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run i i needed to feed him but that's

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the other thing i forgot to feed him and

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i'm home alone right now

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so i well during the break i rushed and

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got him

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a meal and put it outside and then i had

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i forgot to do something so i had to run

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and take care of him and now he's happy

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that's a that's a really cool mix husky

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german shepherd what color is he

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he's uh golden white

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golden white

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yeah he would have to be right right

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right he would have to be

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um

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a little recap

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mark uh

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heads out to a ce5 protocol does five

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day four days of meditation

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he's uh an egg-shaped craft materialized

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in front of him it's glowing green

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um

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it was interesting how mark describes he

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could see the stars behind it so it

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wasn't

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a

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it

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[Laughter]

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i want to meet you guys

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and the invitation is there

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01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:19,360
all right what happens next mark

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well so this protocol

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that i had learned from greer involves

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closing your eyes and saying a mantra

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over and over again a three-syllable

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mantra

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and there's also a visualization

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technique uh that goes with that it's a

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bit like um

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you know tapping your head and rubbing

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your belly at the same time it's it's

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multitasking mental multitasking and

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it's really difficult i found it

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challenging but

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after five

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01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:56,159
doing this you get better at it so i

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i sat up in my bed in the lotus seated

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position and i began doing this protocol

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and after a moment or two i noticed this

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light blue

2151
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foggy light in my third eye began

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swirling like a whirlpool of light

2153
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,360
and it got brighter and brighter and it

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01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,480
began coalescing into this very bright

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well-defined sphere

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and uh and then

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these rings of light came into it from

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outside after a minute of that

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then this orb began morphing into a

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humanoid shape

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and it just persisted in my third eye

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01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,040
with my eyes closed it it was very

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01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,400
bright it was very clear to be a

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humanoid figure

2165
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and after about five minutes of it just

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01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,000
being there my third eye

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01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,239
i opened my eyes and standing at the end

2168
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of my bed as if my eyes had been opened

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01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:57,760
the entire time was this being that was

2170
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,360
clearly non-physical it was glowing

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01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,280
it was scintillating

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01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:05,920
there were parts of its body that were

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01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,480
transparent i could see through

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its torso for instance

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while its head was more opaque and

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glowing

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and one of the things i uh do you need

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01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:20,000
to let bingo back in

2179
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,440
the house no we have friends coming over

2180
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um so

2181
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,800
i think he's uh

2182
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:30,560
here i'm gonna close this and hopefully

2183
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,360
you're

2184
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,199
he he we have friends that are coming

2185
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over and they're starting to come in the

2186
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:38,400
back uh gate and he doesn't know that

2187
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,320
it's them i love live radio i i love uh

2188
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:44,800
live radio i wanted to meet bingo

2189
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:47,360
okay so uh

2190
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,639
standing now you you open this is

2191
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,040
what i find interesting and i'm glad uh

2192
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,520
we had this little interruption

2193
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:57,440
you

2194
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:02,000
and this

2195
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,080
this light is manifesting itself inside

2196
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,600
of your eyelids right right right

2197
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,760
and then but then when you open your

2198
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,159
eyes i want to understand uh exactly

2199
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:15,920
what you're saying here

2200
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:19,199
when you open your eyes exactly what you

2201
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:23,040
were seeing start to form was actually

2202
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:24,480
right in front of you

2203
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:26,719
that's right and the only difference is

2204
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,400
now i am seeing the the room as well

2205
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,320
it's like a composite

2206
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:35,119
of what i was seeing with my eyes closed

2207
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,000
but now i can see some of the room even

2208
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,760
though it was very dark in the room my

2209
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,560
eyes were adjusted to the dark and i

2210
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,880
could still i could see and make out the

2211
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:46,639
walls and the window

2212
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,119
that the being this light being was

2213
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:51,520
standing in front of in the curtains as

2214
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:52,480
well

2215
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:54,560
and so uh

2216
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,320
it was very clear to me that this was

2217
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:00,880
not a physical being it was

2218
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:04,719
if you if i had not known any better if

2219
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,159
i had not been

2220
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:08,800
prepared i would have thought i was

2221
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,679
looking at a ghost

2222
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,719
and

2223
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,239
okay

2224
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,320
i have to ask the honest question mark

2225
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,719
what's going through your mind

2226
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:19,920
at this moment

2227
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:24,320
well at that very moment i believed that

2228
01:41:29,550 --> 01:41:26,920
i was looking at a

2229
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:29,560
extraterrestrial that was either being

2230
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,719
holographically projected into my room

2231
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,119
or it was a light being because you know

2232
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,679
by this time i had heard of such things

2233
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:38,960
in this

2234
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:39,760
um

2235
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,840
over this five day period with people

2236
01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:43,920
they talked about light beings i didn't

2237
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:44,840
really

2238
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,719
associate light beings as part of the et

2239
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:50,880
cosmology

2240
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,840
but by the end of five days it was clear

2241
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,320
to me that people talked about

2242
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,080
these higher dimensional beings that

2243
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:00,639
were non-physical and they would appear

2244
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,679
as light beings and so i assumed either

2245
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,760
i was looking at one of these light

2246
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:07,440
beams

2247
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:10,480
or this was a holographic projection of

2248
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,360
a physical being possibly on a craft

2249
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,119
near the hotel

2250
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:16,639
and

2251
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,679
but what was really strange about this

2252
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:22,320
now my background in training as i

2253
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:24,000
mentioned earlier is in computer

2254
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:27,199
graphics so i had written programs early

2255
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:29,600
in my career that

2256
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:41,030
sources and the light coloring and other

2257
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,520
things the surfaces the properties of

2258
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,000
the surfaces and you know of course when

2259
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,560
you're doing that i want it to look as

2260
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:50,480
realistic as possible

2261
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:53,920
and so i was very familiar with all the

2262
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,040
things that go into creating a scene

2263
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,440
to make it look realistic and what i saw

2264
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:01,520
standing at the end of my bed

2265
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,560
did not seem right and what i mean by

2266
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,880
that is when something is glowing

2267
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:09,520
brightly in a room in a dark room you

2268
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:10,639
expect

2269
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,080
there to be ambient light on the walls

2270
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:16,480
given off by the light source and this

2271
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:19,920
thing was not doing that it it it was

2272
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,199
very bright but there was no glow effect

2273
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,280
on the walls or on the bed

2274
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:28,080
it doesn't make any sense how does your

2275
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:30,159
pragmatic mind deal with something like

2276
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,040
that

2277
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,040
well i was just kind of making a note of

2278
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:35,440
it i just i knew what i was looking at

2279
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,119
was right there but it wasn't

2280
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,960
you know producing the light that you

2281
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,960
would expect yeah the natural the

2282
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,960
natural things that occur that allow

2283
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,360
your brain to compute right to

2284
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:49,119
understand what you're seeing none of

2285
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:52,080
that is there

2286
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,679
real quick my um i've just got a very

2287
01:44:02,629 --> 01:43:59,520
important text you know i'm doing this

2288
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:02,639
uh uh we go live tomorrow with our

2289
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:06,000
making contact campus and so this is a

2290
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,189
do i know who just texted you

2291
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,280
um

2292
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,040
i do don't i

2293
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,520
yeah you probably do okay tell him tell

2294
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:23,840
him tell him he's interrupting the show

2295
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,440
and i will call him later

2296
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:29,440
oh it's funny jimmy you're you're a

2297
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:30,560
stitch

2298
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:31,360
um

2299
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,639
okay

2300
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:34,639
so there's no glow in the room there's

2301
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,280
nothing creating shadows there's none of

2302
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,400
that you've got an artificial construct

2303
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:42,560
that must be projected that makes a lot

2304
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:43,760
of sense

2305
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:46,320
it it yeah you know looking back on it

2306
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:47,679
and it was

2307
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,480
now now you know years later after all

2308
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,800
my research now it makes perfect sense

2309
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,199
to me what i believe i was seeing was a

2310
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,119
higher dimensional being with

2311
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:58,560
composite

2312
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:04,470
standing at the end of my bed

2313
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:07,760
and what my physical eyes were seeing

2314
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,080
um and that was being combined in my

2315
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,679
brain

2316
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:13,679
that and my guess is that if there had

2317
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:15,760
been somebody standing next to me they

2318
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,040
may not have seen what i was seeing

2319
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,199
but i was certainly seeing it very

2320
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,760
clearly now did you did you make an

2321
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:25,760
attempt at communication

2322
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:28,159
i did now this uh

2323
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,080
greeting i had prepared i mentioned

2324
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:32,639
earlier before the last break

2325
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,679
was very clear with me and and so i i

2326
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,080
just sat there looking at it before i

2327
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,400
greeted it because i wasn't sure what

2328
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,239
was going to happen next it was just

2329
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:44,159
standing there at the end of my bed and

2330
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:45,040
what i

2331
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,920
was

2332
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:48,480
a little worried about is that it would

2333
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:50,800
fade away kind of like the craft had it

2334
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,600
had been a very brief view of this craft

2335
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,760
and i was concerned

2336
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,560
that since it was non-physical clearly

2337
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:00,960
non-physical that it might just fade

2338
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,040
away like the craft and so what i was

2339
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,119
most concerned about when i first saw it

2340
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,199
was burning into my

2341
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:09,280
memory what i was looking at because i'm

2342
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:12,800
a decent illustrator and i wanted to be

2343
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,159
able to reproduce and a rendering of

2344
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:18,719
this being that i was looking at

2345
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:21,440
and it had eyes it had this pointy head

2346
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,239
it was very skinny it's it's skinny arms

2347
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,280
had longer fingers than normal

2348
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:31,920
than normal human fingers slightly

2349
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:34,800
and its arms appeared to be a slightly

2350
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:38,719
longer than human human arms as well

2351
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,280
and um and so

2352
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,159
after a few minutes of burning into my

2353
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,520
memory what i was looking at i then gave

2354
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:49,280
the greeting and i gave it

2355
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:51,920
telepathically because i'd been hearing

2356
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:54,159
from greer and others that they can read

2357
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:56,320
your mind so i assumed that he could

2358
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:59,760
read my mind and i i gave this practice

2359
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,880
greeting

2360
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:02,880
to this being that standing at the end

2361
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,920
of my bed and i said i am very honored

2362
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:07,840
and grateful that you

2363
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,480
are here i hope this is the beginning of

2364
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:12,560
a lifelong friendship

2365
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:13,679
and

2366
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:18,880
my body anything that you choose i

2367
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,679
completely trust you wow

2368
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,560
yeah

2369
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:24,800
that's exactly what i said

2370
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:27,520
and as soon as that thought was

2371
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,199
projected

2372
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,920
he began walking from the end of my bed

2373
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:34,560
and approaching me on my left side

2374
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,360
and as he's approaching me i'm not going

2375
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:38,800
to move a muscle i'm not going to do

2376
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,040
anything to spook it i want to show that

2377
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,040
i'm good on my word and that i'm not

2378
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:45,360
going to freak out and i'm just not

2379
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,040
going to move a muscle

2380
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:48,960
and as he's getting closer and closer

2381
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,960
i'm looking up into his face and into

2382
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,560
those eyes

2383
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:54,400
what did you see

2384
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:57,199
and what i saw after he got really close

2385
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:59,360
to me he stopped and he was right next

2386
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:01,520
to me and i was looking up you know to

2387
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,719
my left up into his face and what i

2388
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:07,199
realized is that what i thought were

2389
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,920
eyes with these strange like u-shaped

2390
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,040
pupils

2391
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:13,840
were not eyes at all but like sockets of

2392
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:14,960
a skull

2393
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,520
and what i perceived as pupils when he

2394
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:19,280
was sitting standing at the end of my

2395
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:22,880
bed were the superior suture

2396
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,840
and the orbital canal for the optic

2397
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:27,679
nerve from the eyeball that goes from

2398
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,480
the eyeball to the brain

2399
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,960
and that's what i saw and it was very

2400
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:34,320
clear that

2401
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:37,440
this these were sockets of a skull

2402
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:39,679
and there was no eyeball

2403
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,510
like it wasn't computing it it was i was

2404
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,679
confused more than i was shocked or

2405
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,000
scared i wasn't freaking out i was just

2406
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,400
like is this really what i'm looking at

2407
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:58,480
and so i just kind of turned my head

2408
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,040
ever so slightly to look at him straight

2409
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,880
on on and as i peered into those eyes i

2410
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:06,800
noticed that there were these patterns

2411
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:07,840
of light

2412
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:09,840
that i could see inside of his head

2413
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:12,480
behind those eyes and these patterns of

2414
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:13,679
light were

2415
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:16,800
reminiscent of sacred geometry it was

2416
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,719
very very

2417
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:20,000
weird

2418
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:21,119
and

2419
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:23,599
it was mesmerizing as well i was kind of

2420
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:26,800
drawn into his eyes almost

2421
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:30,239
and then i noticed that his something

2422
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:33,119
was moving down lower and i looked down

2423
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:35,679
and it's his hand with his index finger

2424
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,159
extended and he's slowly coming towards

2425
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,639
my elbow with his index finger

2426
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,520
and he

2427
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,679
he's going to touch me it's very clear

2428
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,480
he's slowly and intentionally

2429
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:48,560
you know coming for my elbow

2430
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:49,360
and

2431
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,480
it it feels like a soft tingly sensation

2432
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,960
and then he continues to push his finger

2433
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,280
into my elbow and i can feel it

2434
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,360
penetrating my elbow i can feel that

2435
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,000
tingly sensation where his finger is

2436
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:12,159
going inside of my elbow and then

2437
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,239
through the left side of my torso and

2438
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:16,639
then he continues through my back

2439
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:18,880
through the right side of my body and

2440
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:19,679
then

2441
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,639
his left shoulder or his right shoulder

2442
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,760
rather merges with my left shoulder

2443
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:27,920
and when that happened

2444
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:30,800
i that's when i freaked out i i i was

2445
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,040
like whoa it was just such a strong

2446
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,159
tingling sensation when our shoulders

2447
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:38,880
began merging that i

2448
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,040
had this fight or flight response and i

2449
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:43,440
was getting ready to jump up

2450
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,560
but i

2451
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:46,800
forced myself i caught myself right

2452
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:49,119
before i jumped up and i forced myself

2453
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:51,679
to sit still because i had just told him

2454
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:54,159
that i trusted him and i wanted to honor

2455
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:55,119
that

2456
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:56,400
so i

2457
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,440
it was a really very difficult thing let

2458
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:01,679
me tell you to force myself to sit still

2459
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:04,000
as this being is walking into my body

2460
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:06,159
and now my body is lighting up i'm

2461
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:08,159
getting tingly all over

2462
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,520
and that was very freaky and i just held

2463
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:14,000
on you know it's like um

2464
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,239
i don't know it's like going down i i

2465
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,560
often use the analogy of going down that

2466
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:21,040
first big hill on a roller coaster and

2467
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:23,119
you're just like holding on for dear

2468
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,159
life

2469
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,360
and that that's similar i just i didn't

2470
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:30,000
know what to expect and i was completely

2471
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:31,440
surrendering

2472
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:32,159
to

2473
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,159
something really quick because i'm

2474
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:38,719
picturing all of this

2475
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,520
uh

2476
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:41,760
was he clothed

2477
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:44,320
no he didn't appear to have any clothing

2478
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:46,000
okay and now

2479
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,199
perfect

2480
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,320
so the extended arm there's no

2481
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,320
there's no sleeve right you're looking

2482
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,679
at his fabric no he he was

2483
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,080
and there was no genitalia i mean you

2484
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:00,239
know i've got a rendering that i did i

2485
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,320
did draw a pencil drawing and then i did

2486
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,800
a photoshop drawing and then i hired a

2487
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,800
professional illustrator to write the

2488
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,400
car to draw

2489
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,800
a illustration for the cover of my book

2490
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,639
that's going to be coming out now i

2491
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,159
don't want to i don't want to make light

2492
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:16,400
of this okay i'm not

2493
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:18,560
but this question may sound a little

2494
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:19,920
cavalier

2495
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:22,880
but but he's buck naked

2496
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,280
right well he's not wearing any clothing

2497
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:27,840
but he's also kind of you know

2498
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:30,880
transparent and scintillating

2499
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:33,599
and you don't see any genitalia i mean

2500
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:36,080
he doesn't have

2501
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,360
i know right

2502
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,520
that's my next question you're going

2503
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:42,719
your eyes are going to gravitate to that

2504
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:43,679
area

2505
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:46,480
yeah well it and it was levitated when

2506
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,350
there wasn't anything there

2507
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:55,760
there was nothing there so when he's

2508
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:58,719
standing next to you um you didn't have

2509
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:00,560
anything staring at you in the face then

2510
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,760
so he's next to you

2511
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:05,360
and uh and you're laughing you

2512
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:06,800
understand what i'm saying so you didn't

2513
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,280
have that to deal with yeah right

2514
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:10,480
okay

2515
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,440
um

2516
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:17,520
let's let's proceed here

2517
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:19,199
you didn't jump up

2518
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:23,760
uh your bodies are merging right he's

2519
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:24,880
he's

2520
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,520
and he continues to insert himself into

2521
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:34,239
my body until he's completely merged

2522
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:40,470
and and and when that process has

2523
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:43,599
finished i am left tingling all over

2524
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,360
like uh like electric like us it's not

2525
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:50,400
like a strong electric shock it's like

2526
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:51,280
um

2527
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:52,960
you know pins and needles that you get

2528
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:56,320
when your arm falls asleep or you know

2529
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:58,719
that feeling imagine that feeling

2530
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:02,560
completely all over your body not cool

2531
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:05,840
well it was it no it was it's it was

2532
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:08,320
strange yeah yeah because when you you

2533
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:10,639
know uh when you wake up you're sleeping

2534
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:11,840
on your arm

2535
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,560
right and your arms asleep and it's like

2536
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,800
oh man and you've got to wait

2537
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,480
right that's not a that's not a fun

2538
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:20,719
feeling uh to go through but this was

2539
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,840
head head to toe

2540
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:25,679
right

2541
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,520
he's got mark's getting another text

2542
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,000
is it from captain ron

2543
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,560
no it's not from captain ron i

2544
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,960
uh if you're listening captain ron you

2545
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:39,199
uh text me after the show not during the

2546
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:43,910
uh i hope he's listening i love captain

2547
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:47,119
ron man he's such a great guy i i i'm

2548
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,040
really enjoying getting to become good

2549
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:50,639
friends with him i've known him for a

2550
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:53,280
long time and i've got mad bro love uh

2551
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:57,040
for captain ron and he knows this and uh

2552
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:58,800
so much respect

2553
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,320
uh for for his efforts and his

2554
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,960
his commitment uh to the community and

2555
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,639
everything else and

2556
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,560
he's a pretty funny guy and that's the

2557
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:10,560
other part it's a lot of fun and he's

2558
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,679
funny looking too as well

2559
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,000
okay so what happens next

2560
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:18,320
does the tingling go away like it does

2561
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,239
when your arm falls asleep

2562
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,000
yeah it took about

2563
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,080
two minutes i would guess for it to

2564
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:26,400
completely go away and when it does

2565
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,800
finally go away and i feel physically

2566
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:30,239
normal

2567
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:34,159
i am left with this acute awareness

2568
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:37,040
that there is another being inside of me

2569
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:39,520
that there's a it's it's very clear it's

2570
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,960
a dude it's a it's a male energy

2571
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:44,400
and um

2572
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,400
and i'm just like

2573
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:48,800
is is there really another person inside

2574
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:51,599
of me it's like there's two cohabitants

2575
01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:54,080
in this one physical body and i i don't

2576
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:56,080
know how i knew that but there was no

2577
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:58,239
doubt there's another person inside of

2578
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:01,840
me another entity and so after

2579
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:04,560
kind of gathering myself and

2580
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,440
being certain of this i ask him my first

2581
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:10,560
question and i say what is your name

2582
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:12,560
and using my mouth

2583
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:20,950
just like that jimmy

2584
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:40,229
and i said spell it

2585
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:42,320
because i couldn't really get it i i

2586
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:45,520
just it was such a strong and unusual

2587
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:48,159
pronunciation and i clearly wasn't

2588
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,560
understanding it

2589
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:52,159
and he said

2590
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:53,520
just like this

2591
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:56,000
and he used his he used my hand he he

2592
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:58,000
did this i'm going to show you what he

2593
01:57:01,830 --> 01:56:59,040
did to me

2594
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:01,840
with his fingers he said

2595
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,560
t

2596
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:04,320
e z

2597
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:05,440
j

2598
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,159
b

2599
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,080
a r

2600
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:10,400
t j

2601
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:12,800
just like that i kid you not that that

2602
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:16,000
is exactly how he said it now what about

2603
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:18,560
uh i've got two minutes before the break

2604
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:19,760
and

2605
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:23,599
this is one of the best shows uh

2606
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:25,679
ever on fade to black

2607
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:28,159
i'm just enjoying all of this

2608
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:30,080
but

2609
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:32,159
have you been in contact

2610
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:36,159
as anybody from sun microsystems has

2611
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:38,400
anybody from ibm

2612
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:40,000
uh

2613
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:43,280
you know has anybody reached out

2614
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:45,280
uh no um

2615
01:57:50,830 --> 01:57:48,080
you know i had a lot of colleagues back

2616
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:50,840
in the sunday days i call them

2617
01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:55,040
um and i've not maintained

2618
01:58:01,189 --> 01:57:57,840
any relationships uh with those people

2619
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:01,199
you know uh there's one guy who recently

2620
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:03,199
reached out to me but he was completely

2621
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:04,400
unaware

2622
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:07,520
um or he didn't mention it that uh he

2623
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:09,920
knew anything about my et contact

2624
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:13,040
experience i uh you know once i

2625
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,560
left that business that was in 1992 i

2626
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:18,639
started a new career

2627
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:21,760
and um kind of lost contact over the

2628
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:24,000
years with those people at sun even

2629
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,960
though

2630
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:27,280
um i had a lot of friends there you know

2631
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:30,080
this is a big show number one you never

2632
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:32,159
know who's listening right that's that's

2633
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:33,760
the first thing

2634
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:34,480
but

2635
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:38,080
the second part of it would they

2636
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:40,000
let's say somebody reaches out from son

2637
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:41,199
do you think that they would go you know

2638
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:42,800
what i knew it

2639
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:44,960
you know if if there was anybody it

2640
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:46,800
would be you mark

2641
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,599
i i don't think so i think that uh this

2642
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:51,920
would be a surprise to any of my old

2643
01:58:57,189 --> 01:58:54,080
friends and colleagues you know looking

2644
01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:57,199
at uh pictures of you uh from the past

2645
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:58,159
um

2646
01:59:03,910 --> 01:58:59,280
you

2647
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:03,920
look how do i say this um

2648
01:59:09,669 --> 01:59:06,400
this is a kind compliment

2649
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:09,679
but you have changed physically

2650
01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:12,080
there's no doubt yeah yeah

2651
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:13,520
it's it's really funny the

2652
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:14,960
transformation

2653
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:17,440
the old you was was cool and handsome

2654
01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:19,360
and and all of that

2655
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:21,280
but you are not the same person that you

2656
01:59:24,980 --> 01:59:23,840
were 15 years ago

2657
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,990
that's for sure

2658
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,880
[Laughter]

2659
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:29,360
he's smiling as he says that let's take

2660
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:30,960
our break right here this is fade to

2661
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:32,800
black i'm your host jimmy church tonight

2662
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:37,280
mark sims what a great conversation

2663
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:38,719
but we're gonna find out what happens

2664
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:40,560
next right this is fade to black i'm

2665
01:59:44,709 --> 01:59:42,000
yours jimmy church

2666
01:59:47,260 --> 01:59:44,719
on the game changer network and kgra the

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02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:44,080
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[Applause]

2748
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:51,760
you wanna know a secret

2749
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:55,520
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

2750
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:56,880
serious

2751
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:59,119
i couldn't stay sane without poor mr

2752
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,480
brush

2753
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:02,560
why fade to black

2754
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:11,189
this is fade to pony with jimmy church

2755
02:04:18,380 --> 02:04:13,840
on the game changer radio network and

2756
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:18,390
kgra the global radio alliance

2757
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:31,760
[Music]

2758
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:34,800
oh man i am enjoying

2759
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:37,520
what is going on in the youtube chat

2760
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:39,360
i've been hanging out i'm just gonna say

2761
02:04:42,550 --> 02:04:40,400
this

2762
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:42,560
our moderators tonight have been working

2763
02:04:47,189 --> 02:04:43,760
overtime

2764
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:47,199
we got the uh the invasion of uh

2765
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:50,239
of uh russian porn sites uh in the

2766
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,599
youtube chat

2767
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:53,440
it's it's crazy what's going on over

2768
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,320
there it's nothing but block block block

2769
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:59,040
block block it's it's it's crazy it the

2770
02:05:00,950 --> 02:05:00,000
show

2771
02:05:04,069 --> 02:05:00,960
um

2772
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:04,079
with live streams mark as as you

2773
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:07,440
fully understand we have a big audience

2774
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:10,000
and they know this right so that

2775
02:05:16,069 --> 02:05:12,480
they just uh once in a while

2776
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:16,079
it's a night like it uh has never been

2777
02:05:21,270 --> 02:05:17,840
it's funny

2778
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,280
it is really funny man it's just uh it's

2779
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:23,679
like whack-a-mole right you just can't

2780
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:25,760
keep up it's just it's absolutely crazy

2781
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:28,719
multiple accounts so you guys bill

2782
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:30,159
blockchick

2783
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,280
um you guys uh if there's anything i can

2784
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:35,280
do to make up for

2785
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:37,040
the overtime that you guys have put in

2786
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:39,599
tonight uh it's been absolutely fun to

2787
02:05:46,069 --> 02:05:40,560
watch

2788
02:05:49,990 --> 02:05:46,079
teshy bar right

2789
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:50,000
let's uh we're going to circle back but

2790
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:52,239
i've got to know

2791
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:55,679
what was it like when you woke up

2792
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:57,760
well i did not

2793
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:00,400
go to sleep that night in fact i didn't

2794
02:06:09,510 --> 02:06:06,629
um

2795
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:09,520
are you at this point

2796
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:12,320
uh questioning reality questioning the

2797
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,159
world questioning everything you were

2798
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:16,320
taught

2799
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:20,400
i'm not questioning reality i'm

2800
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:22,960
i feel

2801
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:26,159
a lot of weird things happened after he

2802
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:27,760
entered my body

2803
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:31,040
after asking him his name i then asked

2804
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:33,040
where was he from

2805
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:36,800
and his answer was i'm from earth

2806
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:39,679
and i'm like what

2807
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:41,840
you do not look like any earth creature

2808
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:44,960
i have ever seen can you explain

2809
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,440
and he went on to say that when he he

2810
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,280
was once human

2811
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,159
and that he lived roughly three thousand

2812
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:54,400
years ago in an area that is today

2813
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:57,760
called terra del fuego and he said i

2814
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,000
would find this place at the very

2815
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:02,800
southern tip of south america right

2816
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:05,280
so this came in very clear i had never

2817
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:07,520
heard of a place called terra del fuego

2818
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,000
i've never set foot even to this day

2819
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:12,960
i've never been in south america

2820
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:16,320
so i wasn't familiar with this place

2821
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:19,119
and it came through so clear

2822
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:21,679
that he was that he had said this

2823
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,199
that i

2824
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:25,679
decided to get my computer

2825
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:26,480
and

2826
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,040
i had a laptop with me i had wi-fi

2827
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:31,280
internet access in the hotel and i

2828
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:33,520
wanted to confirm this because

2829
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:36,960
my mother is a or was she's now retired

2830
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:38,840
was a academic

2831
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:42,320
psychologist and uh being the son of an

2832
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:45,040
academic psychologist i was very aware

2833
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:47,440
of all the different mental disorders

2834
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:49,119
you know all the

2835
02:07:52,709 --> 02:07:51,840
psychosis that exists and

2836
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:52,719
what

2837
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,320
very real

2838
02:08:03,830 --> 02:07:58,800
but this experience of talking to

2839
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:03,840
somebody who's in my body and in my mind

2840
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:06,400
made me consider that maybe

2841
02:08:12,870 --> 02:08:11,119
i had created an alter ego uh that this

2842
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,880
was a consequence of this physical

2843
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:15,040
experience and that i had just invented

2844
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:17,520
an invisible person and i was simply

2845
02:08:22,870 --> 02:08:20,639
talking to myself sure but this answer i

2846
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:22,880
had just been given was not something i

2847
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,280
was aware of and i wanted to confirm

2848
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:27,440
that such a place existed

2849
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,199
so i got my computer up i started google

2850
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:33,679
earth and i typed in tierra del fuego

2851
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:35,920
and i hit the search button and you know

2852
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,800
how the globe of google earth begins to

2853
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,520
spin and zoom in on the location you

2854
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:43,360
type in

2855
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:45,679
it's going towards the southern tip of

2856
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:48,800
south america and i just felt goosebumps

2857
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:52,159
all over and when it finally zoomed in

2858
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:56,320
and the letters came up tierra del fuego

2859
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,840
you could have knocked me over with the

2860
02:09:01,270 --> 02:09:00,000
feather it was just so

2861
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:01,280
so

2862
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:02,639
mind

2863
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,400
boggling to me and um and so

2864
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:08,320
before putting away my computer i

2865
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:10,480
decided maybe i should do a google

2866
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:13,040
search on the name teshbar that he had

2867
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:14,480
spelled

2868
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:15,920
and

2869
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,079
you know it's such an unusual spelling

2870
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:20,800
that i felt why not give it a try maybe

2871
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:22,639
something would come up

2872
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:25,760
so when i typed it in there was one hit

2873
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:28,960
in the entire google library

2874
02:09:35,589 --> 02:09:31,520
and when i clicked on it it took me to a

2875
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:35,599
book that was published in 1916

2876
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:40,079
by an anthropologist named john cooper

2877
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:41,840
and it was a book

2878
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:45,199
about this the indigenous tribes of

2879
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:48,880
tierra del fuego shut up no it's true

2880
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:50,960
you can look this up no no no i'm just

2881
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:57,750
so so it was a book that was on the

2882
02:10:01,589 --> 02:10:00,400
google books library that had been

2883
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:01,599
scanned

2884
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:05,360
and when i opened up this digital book

2885
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:08,480
i searched for tejbar and in the back of

2886
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,719
the book there was a small glossary that

2887
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:12,560
the author had made

2888
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,320
of these words from the fuegian language

2889
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:18,480
this is the language that the tribes of

2890
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:20,400
terra del fuego speak

2891
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:23,760
and uh the the word

2892
02:10:29,750 --> 02:10:27,119
tejbar this is the phonetic spelling of

2893
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,760
a word in their language it translates

2894
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:31,440
directly to the word

2895
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:34,000
forehead

2896
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:36,159
i kid you not you can look this up this

2897
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:38,560
is a fact

2898
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,440
and

2899
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:41,280
now

2900
02:10:45,660 --> 02:10:44,560
is he still inside of you

2901
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:45,670
right this minute

2902
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:48,320
[Laughter]

2903
02:10:52,950 --> 02:10:50,880
yesterday

2904
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:52,960
well yeah he was still in me at this

2905
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:54,239
moment

2906
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:56,880
that i was looking him up on the looking

2907
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:58,639
up the word teshbar

2908
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:00,880
and i took this as a second major

2909
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,679
confirmation that i wasn't imagining

2910
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,159
this experience so i put away my

2911
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:09,119
computer and i had brought with me a

2912
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:11,920
journal that i was keeping notes in for

2913
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:14,079
the the retreat

2914
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:16,800
and i began interviewing him i turned on

2915
02:11:22,390 --> 02:11:19,760
the little lamp next to me and uh on the

2916
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:22,400
nightstand and i sat up in my bed

2917
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:25,280
and i started interviewing him literally

2918
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,119
and he began telling me

2919
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:29,520
about you know because i was curious i

2920
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:31,199
said okay so

2921
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:33,199
what you were human what happened to you

2922
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:35,760
when you died he said i ascended to the

2923
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:37,440
astral realm

2924
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:40,960
i said that is this a place that the

2925
02:11:45,430 --> 02:11:43,599
christians would call heaven it sounds

2926
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:45,440
sort of like heaven and he says yes

2927
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:47,440
indeed this is the place that the

2928
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:49,520
christians would call heaven but it's

2929
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:52,320
much more than that it's more complex

2930
02:11:57,750 --> 02:11:55,119
than the christian concept of heaven

2931
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:57,760
and i said is this where i will go when

2932
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:01,520
i die and he said no not necessarily he

2933
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:04,480
says one of two things happen when you

2934
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:05,440
die

2935
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:07,760
what typically happens is that you're

2936
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:11,040
reincarnated to continue your spiritual

2937
02:12:16,229 --> 02:12:13,040
journey and development

2938
02:12:17,109 --> 02:12:16,239
and only under certain conditions do

2939
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:17,119
does

2940
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:20,400
the the soul evolve and ascend

2941
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:23,920
go to its next major stage of evolution

2942
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:26,800
and that according to tejbar is

2943
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:29,440
is ascension to this place he called the

2944
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:31,360
astral realm

2945
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:33,599
now he's telling this to an atheist not

2946
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:36,719
just any atheist i was a devout atheist

2947
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:39,280
as i said before for instance

2948
02:13:30,709 --> 02:12:40,159
i

2949
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:30,719
was

2950
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:36,079
mean or

2951
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:37,440
or uh

2952
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:38,960
or you know

2953
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:40,800
confrontational

2954
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:45,280
enjoyed the debate

2955
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:47,199
and i often would have a debate with

2956
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:49,920
anybody willing about the question of

2957
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:52,000
god and the existence of god in the

2958
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,480
afterlife and i just believe that

2959
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,639
you know we're only here for a short

2960
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:58,719
period of time and that we should make

2961
02:14:02,470 --> 02:14:00,719
the most of it that was my philosophy

2962
02:14:04,950 --> 02:14:02,480
and that's why i worked so hard i wanted

2963
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:04,960
to leave a mark i wanted to leave a

2964
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:08,079
no pun intended um i wanted to

2965
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:09,679
leave a legacy

2966
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:14,079
and um and so my business and my

2967
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:15,199
success

2968
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:17,440
uh in business um

2969
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,320
was one of my things i was proud of and

2970
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:22,320
i wanted to continue to make a

2971
02:14:25,589 --> 02:14:23,920
difference a positive difference in the

2972
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:25,599
world that's what led to creating

2973
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:28,000
nanorex the nanotechnology software

2974
02:14:32,709 --> 02:14:30,079
company because i felt that was a key

2975
02:14:34,870 --> 02:14:32,719
enabling technology for developing

2976
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:34,880
advanced nanosystems that could improve

2977
02:14:39,589 --> 02:14:37,679
the human condition and i really funded

2978
02:14:41,350 --> 02:14:39,599
that business completely out of my back

2979
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:41,360
pocket with the money i made with for my

2980
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:43,679
first business but it was a pure

2981
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:46,480
research endeavor it was not a a regular

2982
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:48,719
business there was no plan to make money

2983
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:51,040
it was just something i was passionate

2984
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:53,840
about that i hoped might one day make a

2985
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:57,119
difference well and so um and and i'm

2986
02:15:04,229 --> 02:15:00,719
gonna jump in uh here because

2987
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:04,239
these statements coming from taj bar

2988
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:07,679
are things that you don't have any

2989
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:10,320
any way to relate to it this wasn't part

2990
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:11,679
of your past

2991
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:13,840
so talking about spirituality or an

2992
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:16,400
astral realm or any of this is something

2993
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:18,400
that is not in your it's not in your

2994
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,679
dictionary no it's completely foreign to

2995
02:15:26,709 --> 02:15:24,000
me i i mean these terms you know the

2996
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:26,719
astral realm you know it's you find this

2997
02:15:33,189 --> 02:15:29,599
term in popular culture and song

2998
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:33,199
uh and and in some other cultures like

2999
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:34,480
in the east

3000
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,520
but um i was not familiar with the term

3001
02:15:42,629 --> 02:15:39,840
at all other than you know it's some

3002
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:42,639
mystical place that you know we hear

3003
02:15:46,470 --> 02:15:45,119
about in music and in story

3004
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:46,480
um

3005
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:51,040
i have to do this i have to do this so

3006
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:52,719
this interview

3007
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:55,280
was this verbal

3008
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:58,000
it was all telepathic it was telepathic

3009
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,360
dialogue initially okay so i would ask a

3010
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,599
question telepathically i would get an

3011
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:05,679
answer telepathically and you're writing

3012
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:06,719
it down

3013
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:09,440
and i'm writing this down okay and then

3014
02:16:14,790 --> 02:16:12,639
as my interview continued my

3015
02:16:17,830 --> 02:16:14,800
questions became more complex and

3016
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:17,840
involved in his answers were no longer

3017
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:20,639
telepathic dialogue they i started

3018
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:23,280
getting these downloads as answers to my

3019
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:24,560
questions

3020
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:26,719
and the best analogy

3021
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:29,199
i ca have come up with is these

3022
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,360
downloads were like big plates of

3023
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,080
information like food that you have to

3024
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:37,040
consume one bite at a time and when this

3025
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:38,479
first began

3026
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:41,840
i was getting these huge downloads and

3027
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:44,160
and i would have to

3028
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:45,519
work at

3029
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:47,679
you know consuming and integrating the

3030
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,760
information and each time i would take a

3031
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,080
bite of information i would regurgitate

3032
02:16:56,549 --> 02:16:54,240
to him i would say is this what

3033
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:56,559
you're telling me and he would say yes

3034
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,240
and then i would take another bite and i

3035
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,160
say and is this true and he would say

3036
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:02,479
yes and then and so that's how it would

3037
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,439
begin

3038
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,599
and when he said yes i would get a

3039
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:07,120
falling star

3040
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,519
in my in my vision i was

3041
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:11,599
you know as i was doing this i would

3042
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:13,280
close my eyes

3043
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:17,840
and um and really focus on this download

3044
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:21,280
and as i was integrating the information

3045
02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:22,559
with each

3046
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:26,080
you know proverbial bite i was getting a

3047
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:26,960
a

3048
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:37,760
evening

3049
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:40,160
uh and into the morning you know through

3050
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:42,080
i i didn't sleep like i said i didn't

3051
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:45,920
sleep for the next two days now um the

3052
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:47,439
the

3053
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:53,359
right was it six days or was it longer

3054
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,399
it was six days but this was the end of

3055
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:58,479
the fifth day there was still one more

3056
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:01,840
day did did they miss you

3057
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:05,040
no i i attended oh you attended you left

3058
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:07,200
you left the hotel room

3059
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,240
no i didn't tell anybody i i i did leave

3060
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:13,200
the hotel room when the sun began to to

3061
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:15,519
come up you know it wasn't yet coming up

3062
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:17,920
it was still pretty dark out

3063
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:19,679
and uh tejbar

3064
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:22,000
wanted to go for a walk

3065
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:25,439
and so it was cold out this was november

3066
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:28,399
and it was cold at night so i had

3067
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:31,120
brought some layers of clothing

3068
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:32,880
uh you know because we were out

3069
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:35,280
meditating in the night time as well so

3070
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,040
we had to be clothed warmly so i dressed

3071
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:41,519
up in warm clothes and we went hiking

3072
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:43,280
out in the desert

3073
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:46,719
and uh and watched the sun rise

3074
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:49,280
and as we were walking i continued my

3075
02:18:53,669 --> 02:18:50,880
interview

3076
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,679
and he was telling me all these amazing

3077
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:55,439
things about

3078
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,040
uh his

3079
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:59,920
experience after ascending

3080
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:01,679
and that he

3081
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:03,760
and i asked him things like you know why

3082
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:06,479
did you choose me

3083
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:10,160
and his answer and this is verbatim

3084
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:13,200
uh he says he said when the student is

3085
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:16,160
ready the teacher will appear now i was

3086
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,960
not a buddhist i did not study buddhism

3087
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:20,639
because i was an atheist i wasn't

3088
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:23,679
interested right but when i had all my

3089
02:19:29,669 --> 02:19:27,120
notes compiled in in the years since

3090
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:29,679
i started studying buddhism a few years

3091
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:33,040
ago and i came across this buddhist

3092
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:36,240
quote uh that the buddha said according

3093
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:37,679
to you know

3094
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:39,359
the internet at least

3095
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:42,240
and uh and that and and i you know of

3096
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:44,559
course recognized it immediately this

3097
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,519
was something he had said when i asked

3098
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:49,200
him the question and then he went on to

3099
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,000
tell me that because i was in good

3100
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:54,880
physical health and at that time i had

3101
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:56,319
not been a

3102
02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:58,160
i i

3103
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:02,000
i wasn't a vegan but i was limiting my

3104
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:05,680
protein intake to fish only and eggs

3105
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:09,280
and other plant forms of protein

3106
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:12,560
and he told me that that prepared me

3107
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:15,040
that helped me

3108
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:18,640
to to have a to physically help me for

3109
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,600
this

3110
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:21,840
experience that

3111
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:23,359
this uh

3112
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:26,000
he called it a communion that's exactly

3113
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:28,000
what he said he said

3114
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:29,760
the experience i was having was a

3115
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,080
communion and that communion is a

3116
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:34,800
trinity it's the it's the unity or the

3117
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:37,920
coming together of three things

3118
02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:40,399
the celestial body which he was he said

3119
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:42,479
he was a celestial being

3120
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,000
the astral body that was me he explained

3121
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,240
he had explained to me that

3122
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:50,880
each of us a physical being is comprised

3123
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:53,280
of two things the physical body which is

3124
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:55,840
a temporary suit you can think of it as

3125
02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,120
a as a suit that we wear temporarily and

3126
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:02,240
in that suit is an energetic body a

3127
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:04,319
subtle body that survives the physical

3128
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:06,080
death to continue

3129
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:09,359
to be through reincarnation to ex to

3130
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:12,560
continue its development its spiritual

3131
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,399
evolution and and growth

3132
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:18,080
the uh

3133
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:19,600
the stuff that must have been going

3134
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:21,439
through your mind

3135
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,640
uh because of this complete change of

3136
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,240
reality

3137
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:28,560
it just must have been tremendous and

3138
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:31,200
listening to you there

3139
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:34,000
i now know why i've never made a direct

3140
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:37,439
contact because my ce5 protocol

3141
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:41,840
is pastrami sandwiches and dr pepper

3142
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:44,880
right but i draw them in they come in oh

3143
02:22:10,630 --> 02:21:46,000
i

3144
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:10,640
and probably

3145
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:11,920
the red meat

3146
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:13,520
oh man

3147
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:15,920
okay i i might

3148
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:21,510
i love you mark i love you

3149
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:24,000
he's he's laughing and he's blushing at

3150
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:26,319
the same time but this is the thing

3151
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:27,680
um

3152
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:29,359
i believe

3153
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:32,160
uh i have gone through a couple of ce5

3154
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,600
moments right

3155
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:35,200
in the meditation

3156
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:38,000
and i've got a loud voice right we all

3157
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:41,359
know that we've all experienced uh that

3158
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,469
i'm like i don't care about that

3159
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,960
let's have some fun with this

3160
02:22:53,830 --> 02:22:50,960
and i

3161
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:53,840
i firmly believe

3162
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:57,120
that it's not necessarily the meditation

3163
02:23:02,469 --> 02:22:59,439
it's your intent

3164
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:02,479
right i i'm not a bad person and

3165
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,760
laughing and being loud is is still a

3166
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:07,280
good intention

3167
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:10,640
because i have seen remarkable things

3168
02:23:15,429 --> 02:23:12,960
and and if we're laughing

3169
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:15,439
and you know playing van halen that

3170
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:19,040
that's not that's not a bad thing

3171
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:19,760
and

3172
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:25,920
now i'm not saying that the true ce5

3173
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:29,040
protocol doesn't it does work

3174
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:32,800
but i fell into it naturally mark

3175
02:23:37,990 --> 02:23:35,040
you know what i mean i didn't go through

3176
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:38,000
a seminar i wasn't told what to do

3177
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:42,640
i stumbled into pulling in these crafts

3178
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,600
right

3179
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:45,600
yeah and you know i want to make a

3180
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,319
distinction here i think there's a big

3181
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:51,200
difference between uh summoning craft

3182
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:53,359
through meditative practices or any

3183
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:54,640
other method

3184
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:57,600
that initiates that kind of contact

3185
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:00,960
what i experienced was a communion

3186
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:04,080
and that according to tejbar and you

3187
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:06,080
know i just defer to him i want to make

3188
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:08,160
it clear this isn't my definition this

3189
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:09,920
is what he taught me

3190
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:13,439
um is that this is where the celestial

3191
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:15,120
body

3192
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:21,120
and that is a very highly energetic

3193
02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:23,680
process i mean i felt it i can tell you

3194
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:25,920
for sure i it made sense to me when he

3195
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:29,359
said it can bring on a heart attack i

3196
02:24:36,309 --> 02:24:33,760
get that it was it it was shocking right

3197
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:36,319
now yeah no pun intended

3198
02:24:38,710 --> 02:24:37,760
um

3199
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:38,720
okay

3200
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:41,680
look we have to go into overtime

3201
02:24:48,389 --> 02:24:46,870
you're all good with that okay because

3202
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:48,399
we're gonna we're gonna come back to

3203
02:24:51,990 --> 02:24:49,840
this

3204
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:52,000
but tell me about the phone call to your

3205
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:52,800
mom

3206
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:55,040
you had to call her you had to get some

3207
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:56,800
advice

3208
02:24:59,510 --> 02:24:57,840
yeah

3209
02:25:01,590 --> 02:24:59,520
what happened

3210
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:01,600
oh man

3211
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:04,479
i i don't know if i um

3212
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,000
well you're talking about back then um

3213
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:10,960
so

3214
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:12,720
um

3215
02:25:18,230 --> 02:25:15,280
i haven't talked about this on uh

3216
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:18,240
publicly um and i i've

3217
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:20,399
even struggled writing about this in the

3218
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:22,479
book but it is in the book i'm writing

3219
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:24,720
uh the autobiography that i called

3220
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:27,280
tejbar

3221
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:29,840
and it was probably the most difficult

3222
02:25:35,349 --> 02:25:33,280
part of my story to share publicly

3223
02:25:37,910 --> 02:25:35,359
because

3224
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:37,920
my mother when i returned back to

3225
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:38,960
michigan

3226
02:25:45,510 --> 02:25:42,960
after this retreat in california

3227
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:45,520
the first two days i did not say

3228
02:25:51,510 --> 02:25:48,319
anything to my wife or to my or anyone

3229
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,520
else i kept this completely quiet

3230
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,520
knowing that i was going to confide in

3231
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:56,000
my wife somehow but the question is how

3232
02:26:00,790 --> 02:25:58,319
would i tell my wife

3233
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:00,800
what i was experiencing without her

3234
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:03,120
thinking i was crazy

3235
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:04,160
and

3236
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:10,000
that if i didn't tell her she would

3237
02:26:14,150 --> 02:26:11,600
she you know she was going to see the

3238
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,160
behavioral changes that were obvious to

3239
02:26:18,550 --> 02:26:16,560
everyone i was acting differently and i

3240
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:18,560
knew that i was very aware of it because

3241
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:21,359
i in this state of communion and i'm

3242
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:23,120
i'm like

3243
02:26:27,990 --> 02:26:24,800
you know still in

3244
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:28,000
in this mode of uh inquiry

3245
02:26:33,110 --> 02:26:31,280
i i would you know when i got home for

3246
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:33,120
instance the first thing i did was have

3247
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:35,600
dinner supper with my wife she prepared

3248
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:37,920
dinner when i was arriving back home

3249
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,600
from the airport

3250
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:41,600
we had dinner together

3251
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:42,960
and

3252
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:45,200
she could already tell as we were

3253
02:26:48,230 --> 02:26:46,880
sitting at dinner that was something was

3254
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,240
different with me she didn't say

3255
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:50,399
anything until later

3256
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:53,920
but uh but i wanted just to kind of be

3257
02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:56,479
alone and continue

3258
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:58,880
my interview of tejbar because what i

3259
02:27:02,870 --> 02:27:01,439
was learning from him both through my my

3260
02:27:05,030 --> 02:27:02,880
interview

3261
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:05,040
and through these experiences for

3262
02:27:09,030 --> 02:27:07,040
instance one thing that happened while i

3263
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:09,040
was still in california is he

3264
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:11,600
effectively took me out of my body

3265
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:13,760
and boy is that a way to convince

3266
02:27:18,150 --> 02:27:15,520
somebody that we're more than our

3267
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:18,160
physical body

3268
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:22,080
and then i he did a regression where i

3269
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:23,280
literally

3270
02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:26,399
experienced a previous lifetime and not

3271
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,240
just any lifetime

3272
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:31,200
but the a lifetime in which i was about

3273
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:32,880
to be executed

3274
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:36,160
um and i experienced the last few

3275
02:27:41,990 --> 02:27:38,960
moments of a previous lifetime in which

3276
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:42,000
i was going to be executed and i and i

3277
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:44,720
experienced the execution and then i

3278
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:47,840
returned back to my hotel room

3279
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:50,640
back into my body that

3280
02:27:54,550 --> 02:27:53,359
was quite an experience i had never had

3281
02:27:55,750 --> 02:27:54,560
before

3282
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:55,760
and so

3283
02:28:00,790 --> 02:27:58,399
all these things were happening to me

3284
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:00,800
leading up to my return home

3285
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:03,920
and of course i'm integrating this

3286
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:07,600
and i'm in a i'm in this

3287
02:28:12,870 --> 02:28:09,920
you know state of wonder and

3288
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:12,880
recalibrating my world view and

3289
02:28:18,469 --> 02:28:15,520
you know it's it's very disorienting

3290
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:18,479
but it's also very exciting because i'm

3291
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:21,200
having these experience experiences that

3292
02:28:25,830 --> 02:28:22,960
i've never had in my life before and i'm

3293
02:28:28,230 --> 02:28:25,840
learning things through tejbar that are

3294
02:28:30,550 --> 02:28:28,240
blowing my mind

3295
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:30,560
and all i want to do is go back in my

3296
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:33,680
office and be alone and continue with

3297
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:36,319
these experiences and with this

3298
02:28:40,710 --> 02:28:38,560
interview that i'm having learning about

3299
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:40,720
the origin of our planet and who the

3300
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:43,120
et's are in the cosmology of the

3301
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:44,240
universe

3302
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:46,319
you know these realms of creation that

3303
02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:49,600
he referred to and the stages of our of

3304
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:52,080
our development of conscious development

3305
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:52,880
from

3306
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:55,680
simpler life forms to human state stage

3307
02:29:01,190 --> 02:28:58,800
consciousness onto astral stages of

3308
02:29:03,190 --> 02:29:01,200
consciousness and then celestial stages

3309
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:03,200
of consciousness he's he had been

3310
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:04,960
through all these

3311
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:07,200
major phases of

3312
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:08,960
conscious evolution

3313
02:29:12,230 --> 02:29:09,840
and

3314
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:12,240
according to him i was in

3315
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:15,280
only the beginning of that process we as

3316
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:18,319
human humans evidently according to him

3317
02:29:23,349 --> 02:29:19,840
are in the fifth

3318
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:23,359
of a 15 stage process that he described

3319
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:24,560
to me

3320
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:28,000
now were you able to i've got 30 seconds

3321
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,720
was this a situation where you could go

3322
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:32,319
into your office

3323
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:35,120
close the door and you're engaged he's

3324
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,439
just he's always there

3325
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,840
yes absolutely

3326
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:41,680
and he was always there

3327
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:44,240
and it was such a

3328
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:45,760
tactile

3329
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,040
you know

3330
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:49,680
experience it was so rich

3331
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:53,120
that it was like there was another

3332
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:55,840
person living inside of my body

3333
02:30:01,830 --> 02:29:58,319
you know i you i've always wondered as a

3334
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:01,840
kid like if how siamese twins um

3335
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:04,080
experience life you know you're you're

3336
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:05,359
never alone

3337
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you know and you're you know

3338
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uh that's what it was like with this

3339
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being the touch bar inside of me it was

3340
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like he was always there

3341
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and of course

3342
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over this 13-day period that lasted you

3343
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know i was in this state of communion

3344
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for 13 days and then he he left me

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um

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it was i i

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okay okay let's let's stop right there

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stop right there stop right there let's

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take a break let's get this commercial

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a conversation happen in a very long

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time mark and uh we're going to continue

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all of this when we come back it's fade

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[Music]

3450
02:36:02,309 --> 02:36:00,630
welcome back fade to black i'm going to

3451
02:36:05,110 --> 02:36:02,319
jimmy church i guess tonight mark sims

3452
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:05,120
going into overtime and everybody saw

3453
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:07,600
this coming this is not a surprise

3454
02:36:12,309 --> 02:36:09,920
during the break mark i thought of two

3455
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,319
things two things

3456
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:14,640
two things popped into my head number

3457
02:36:20,309 --> 02:36:15,680
one

3458
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,319
um at the end of every show this happens

3459
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:22,720
jimmy this was the best show ever this

3460
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:25,439
was the best one yet and already those

3461
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:27,920
posts are happening and

3462
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:30,319
so there's there's that and i thought

3463
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:31,920
about it and then the post started

3464
02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,920
coming in so that thought popped in my

3465
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:35,760
head and then the this other thought

3466
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:37,520
popped in my head

3467
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:40,319
i hope i didn't have a steak at our

3468
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:41,359
lunch

3469
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:43,600
did i eat this

3470
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:45,520
do you remember what i ate in front of

3471
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,520
you

3472
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,000
we ordered the ahi tuna remember oh

3473
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:52,319
that's right

3474
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:54,560
okay so it was safe zone it was safe

3475
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:55,439
zone

3476
02:37:01,349 --> 02:36:59,520
right that's right

3477
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:01,359
i was just picturing myself with a big

3478
02:37:03,349 --> 02:37:02,479
rib eye

3479
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:03,359
okay

3480
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:05,200
all right all right and i'm sure you

3481
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,720
wouldn't have held that against me but

3482
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:08,640
that's right we did have and that ahi

3483
02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:11,359
was amazing actually

3484
02:37:16,309 --> 02:37:13,760
that was oh it was it was absolutely

3485
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,319
delicious okay so

3486
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:18,800
uh um

3487
02:37:22,870 --> 02:37:20,240
let's go back

3488
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:22,880
uh there's we have way too much to

3489
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:25,600
compress in this last uh 20 minutes

3490
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:28,080
so uh let's see if we can rapid fire

3491
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:29,920
some of these questions

3492
02:37:33,510 --> 02:37:31,600
um

3493
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:33,520
the the first one that's on everybody's

3494
02:37:37,270 --> 02:37:34,479
mind

3495
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:37,280
uh this this lasted for 13 days so we'll

3496
02:37:41,990 --> 02:37:39,200
get to day 13

3497
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,000
but um and we can uh you know cut right

3498
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:44,640
to the end but

3499
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:46,720
how did your wife

3500
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:49,359
handle the conversation

3501
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:51,840
not well

3502
02:37:54,630 --> 02:37:53,120
um

3503
02:37:57,910 --> 02:37:54,640
so

3504
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:57,920
i was struggling um

3505
02:38:03,349 --> 02:38:00,640
with how to break the news to her

3506
02:38:06,230 --> 02:38:03,359
and i knew that whatever i said she

3507
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:06,240
would be very concerned and

3508
02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:10,080
be worried about my my stability and

3509
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:13,200
but i also felt it was critical to

3510
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:15,040
be honest

3511
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,520
and what i had resorted to basically was

3512
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:19,680
to just tell her that i had a

3513
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:22,560
face-to-face contact in my hotel room

3514
02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:24,720
with an extraterrestrial

3515
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:26,720
but i of course would have nothing i

3516
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:29,040
would say nothing about the the

3517
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:31,359
communion this merging and that this

3518
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,120
being was still occupying my body right

3519
02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:37,439
that would be too much not a good idea

3520
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:41,200
no not a good idea so so i had reserved

3521
02:38:47,910 --> 02:38:44,160
to to that but i still

3522
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:47,920
wanted time to um break the news tour in

3523
02:38:52,469 --> 02:38:49,920
the right place so

3524
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:52,479
when i got back i got back on uh the

3525
02:38:59,429 --> 02:38:56,960
19th of november it was a monday and

3526
02:39:01,670 --> 02:38:59,439
that was thanksgiving week

3527
02:39:04,630 --> 02:39:01,680
and the the

3528
02:39:06,630 --> 02:39:04,640
um night before thanksgiving i still had

3529
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:06,640
not told her

3530
02:39:11,750 --> 02:39:09,040
she wanted to go see a movie called the

3531
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:11,760
silver lining that was starring jennifer

3532
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:13,680
lawrence and um

3533
02:39:22,150 --> 02:39:14,479
uh

3534
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:22,160
you know if you've seen it it's a it's

3535
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:25,840
this wonderful movie about a guy who is

3536
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:28,399
released from a mental ward

3537
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:31,200
who suffers from bipolar disorder and he

3538
02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:33,600
meets this beautiful woman played by

3539
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:35,120
julia

3540
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:37,359
by jennifer lawrence

3541
02:39:42,710 --> 02:39:39,680
and they become friends and they learn

3542
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:42,720
ballroom dancing together and compete

3543
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:45,120
and at the end they they

3544
02:39:49,670 --> 02:39:47,040
win a competition

3545
02:39:52,309 --> 02:39:49,680
and what i haven't told you about myself

3546
02:39:55,910 --> 02:39:52,319
is i became an amateur champion ballroom

3547
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:55,920
dancer starting in 2009

3548
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:58,399
i started dancing with my wife

3549
02:40:04,230 --> 02:40:00,640
and we really threw ourselves into it

3550
02:40:09,270 --> 02:40:05,429
i

3551
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,280
and uh

3552
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:12,399
and so um seeing this movie

3553
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:14,080
really um

3554
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:16,800
touched me deeply uh it was a

3555
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:18,880
very good movie and and i just could

3556
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:21,760
relate to it on many levels and i was

3557
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:23,760
struggling

3558
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:25,200
you know in the days leading up to

3559
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:27,040
watching this movie that that

3560
02:40:31,670 --> 02:40:30,080
thanksgiving evening or thanksgiving

3561
02:40:34,469 --> 02:40:31,680
giving eve

3562
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:34,479
i was struggling with how to how to tell

3563
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:36,000
my wife

3564
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:38,240
and so i was really stressed out about

3565
02:40:42,389 --> 02:40:39,439
that

3566
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:42,399
and uh so we went to see this movie and

3567
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:43,680
i was so

3568
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:45,120
emotionally

3569
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:47,200
moved by the movie

3570
02:40:51,830 --> 02:40:49,120
that i

3571
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:51,840
went i didn't cry until we went out into

3572
02:40:54,630 --> 02:40:52,960
our car

3573
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:54,640
and because of the stress and the

3574
02:40:56,870 --> 02:40:55,920
emotional

3575
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:56,880
um

3576
02:41:01,590 --> 02:40:59,760
buildup of the movie and the emotional

3577
02:41:03,190 --> 02:41:01,600
stress i was under

3578
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:03,200
trying to figure out how to break this

3579
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:05,040
news to my wife i

3580
02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:08,479
i let loose in the car i i became a

3581
02:41:13,269 --> 02:41:10,960
fountain of tears

3582
02:41:15,830 --> 02:41:13,279
and i i was crying so

3583
02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:15,840
violently that i could not catch my

3584
02:41:21,110 --> 02:41:18,640
breath and this was freaking out my wife

3585
02:41:23,910 --> 02:41:21,120
yeah she's like the movie wasn't wasn't

3586
02:41:29,110 --> 02:41:26,630
and and so she keeps asking me what

3587
02:41:30,389 --> 02:41:29,120
what's going on why why am i crying like

3588
02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:30,399
this

3589
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:33,520
and finally after i calm down and i'm as

3590
02:41:38,550 --> 02:41:36,160
i'm trying to calm myself down i'm i'm

3591
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:38,560
racing this is not the way i imagined

3592
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:40,880
breaking the news to my wife that i had

3593
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:42,880
met an extraterrestrial

3594
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:45,200
and i didn't want to say it there in the

3595
02:41:49,349 --> 02:41:47,840
car after seeing this movie

3596
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:49,359
so um

3597
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:54,000
so i i tried very feebly to

3598
02:41:58,469 --> 02:41:56,160
blame it on the film that i was just

3599
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:58,479
deeply moved and she said there's no way

3600
02:42:03,030 --> 02:42:00,800
you've never reacted this way to a movie

3601
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:03,040
i'm not buying it she says what's really

3602
02:42:07,190 --> 02:42:04,640
going on right

3603
02:42:08,469 --> 02:42:07,200
and then i took a long pause and i told

3604
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:08,479
her

3605
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:12,880
california in the privacy in my hotel

3606
02:42:17,910 --> 02:42:15,760
room i had a face-to-face encounter with

3607
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:17,920
an extraterrestrial

3608
02:42:25,190 --> 02:42:21,520
and she looked at me like i was an alien

3609
02:42:28,389 --> 02:42:25,200
and she said to me mark i am very very

3610
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:28,399
concerned about your mental health

3611
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:29,760
and she said you know i've been

3612
02:42:33,269 --> 02:42:31,439
observing you the last few days since

3613
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,279
you've been coming home and something's

3614
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:34,800
different about you

3615
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:37,840
and i insist that you have a physical

3616
02:42:42,469 --> 02:42:40,720
and a psychiatric evaluation

3617
02:42:44,790 --> 02:42:42,479
and that was a very

3618
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:44,800
logical rational

3619
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:47,200
thing for her to to think you can't

3620
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:49,760
argue with that right right

3621
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:54,800
and and uh and i said i will i agreed i

3622
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:56,479
i knew that

3623
02:43:01,750 --> 02:42:59,439
i was behaving differently and that this

3624
02:43:03,349 --> 02:43:01,760
was cause for alarm

3625
02:43:06,550 --> 02:43:03,359
but i also knew

3626
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:06,560
the cause of it and the reason why i was

3627
02:43:09,510 --> 02:43:08,399
reacting this way

3628
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:09,520
and

3629
02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:10,960
but there was no way for her to

3630
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:12,640
understand that

3631
02:43:18,309 --> 02:43:15,520
so i i felt it was very important to put

3632
02:43:21,429 --> 02:43:18,319
her at ease immediately because i cared

3633
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:21,439
about you know her her you know feelings

3634
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:23,840
and she was genuinely worried about me

3635
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:26,000
and she even said

3636
02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:28,319
that she had while i was gone in

3637
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:30,479
california had done a lot of research on

3638
02:43:36,309 --> 02:43:32,800
greer and found some things that were

3639
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:36,319
very concerning to her that he was

3640
02:43:41,110 --> 02:43:38,960
considered a cult leader by people

3641
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:41,120
and she was convinced that i had been

3642
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,319
drugged

3643
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:44,800
and i told her i said i don't think i

3644
02:43:49,670 --> 02:43:47,120
was drugged i never consumed anything

3645
02:43:51,349 --> 02:43:49,680
that he or anyone else gave me

3646
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:51,359
and um

3647
02:43:54,630 --> 02:43:52,479
and uh

3648
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:54,640
so i don't think that's it and i told

3649
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,200
her i said we saw this ship appear

3650
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:59,520
hours before this encounter in my hotel

3651
02:44:03,670 --> 02:44:01,279
room it appeared above our group in the

3652
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:03,680
desert and i

3653
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:05,680
wasn't the only one who saw it and she

3654
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:07,600
says well you were all drugged and i

3655
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:09,520
said no we weren't i know we weren't

3656
02:44:15,510 --> 02:44:11,920
this was we all saw the same thing

3657
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:15,520
so we got into this debate about whether

3658
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:17,600
we had all been drugged and seen the

3659
02:44:20,950 --> 02:44:18,399
ship

3660
02:44:22,870 --> 02:44:20,960
as a consequence of being you know uh

3661
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:22,880
intoxicated or

3662
02:44:28,230 --> 02:44:25,200
uh hallucinating

3663
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:28,240
which i knew was not the case

3664
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:30,000
and um

3665
02:44:35,269 --> 02:44:32,880
and so uh we got this this actually led

3666
02:44:38,150 --> 02:44:35,279
to a little bit of uh argument

3667
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:38,160
in the car and we started driving home

3668
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:40,560
and on the way i just said well can you

3669
02:44:45,030 --> 02:44:42,640
just hear what i have to share and you

3670
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:45,040
know what what happened to me

3671
02:44:50,710 --> 02:44:48,399
when i made contact with this being

3672
02:44:53,349 --> 02:44:50,720
and she says you can tell the doctor so

3673
02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:53,359
i'll make a an appointment for us to go

3674
02:44:57,269 --> 02:44:55,200
in and you can get a physical and a

3675
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,279
psychiatric evaluation i don't want to

3676
02:45:01,349 --> 02:44:59,439
hear it until you tell the doctors

3677
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:01,359
and i agreed to that

3678
02:45:06,070 --> 02:45:05,040
so we were quiet all the way home and um

3679
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:06,080
and then

3680
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:07,680
you know the next day was actually

3681
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:10,319
thanksgiving day 2012 i'll never forget

3682
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:12,000
that day it was

3683
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:14,560
the day that changed my life in in very

3684
02:45:18,550 --> 02:45:16,800
many ways and that was

3685
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:18,560
the day that i called my mother you

3686
02:45:21,830 --> 02:45:20,960
asked me about my first phone call to my

3687
02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:21,840
mother

3688
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:24,080
and uh what had happened

3689
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:26,720
is that neither my wife or i slept that

3690
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:30,240
night we were very upset um

3691
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,520
and

3692
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:34,000
when she got up early that morning

3693
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:35,840
and took a shower

3694
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:38,560
i needed to use the restroom and so i

3695
02:45:43,990 --> 02:45:40,399
went into the bathroom as she was coming

3696
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:44,000
out of the shower and i told her that i

3697
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:46,880
was really upset with her that she was

3698
02:45:52,150 --> 02:45:49,200
not giving me an opportunity to tell my

3699
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:52,160
story even though i knew she

3700
02:45:57,190 --> 02:45:54,800
wasn't necessarily going to believe me

3701
02:46:00,469 --> 02:45:57,200
i just wanted the opportunity for her to

3702
02:46:03,030 --> 02:46:00,479
hear me and and for me to explain

3703
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:03,040
what i had experienced back in

3704
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:04,399
california

3705
02:46:08,630 --> 02:46:06,080
and i still wasn't going to play i

3706
02:46:10,389 --> 02:46:08,640
wasn't planning on telling her that this

3707
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:10,399
being merged with me but i at least

3708
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:12,720
wanted to share with her the the

3709
02:46:18,469 --> 02:46:15,120
experience of what led up to him showing

3710
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,479
up in my hotel room and then what i

3711
02:46:22,790 --> 02:46:20,800
learned from him in in our communication

3712
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:22,800
during the communion

3713
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:25,279
and because there were some things in

3714
02:46:30,389 --> 02:46:27,600
that that i felt were

3715
02:46:32,790 --> 02:46:30,399
for me anyway very compelling and

3716
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:32,800
interesting and maybe would open her up

3717
02:46:36,389 --> 02:46:35,279
to further discussions

3718
02:46:39,429 --> 02:46:36,399
um

3719
02:46:42,710 --> 02:46:39,439
so anyway she she just completely shut

3720
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:42,720
that down when we got home and that left

3721
02:46:46,389 --> 02:46:44,000
a bad

3722
02:46:48,230 --> 02:46:46,399
energy as we were getting ready for bed

3723
02:46:50,469 --> 02:46:48,240
and we were really mad at each other i

3724
02:46:53,190 --> 02:46:50,479
mean it was you know we weren't yelling

3725
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:53,200
yet or but it was i was and so i was

3726
02:46:57,110 --> 02:46:55,279
brooding in bed

3727
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,120
and um

3728
02:47:01,190 --> 02:46:59,680
and and just imagining if our roles had

3729
02:47:03,590 --> 02:47:01,200
been switched

3730
02:47:06,150 --> 02:47:03,600
i would at least let her tell me the

3731
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,160
story uh if if she wanted to share

3732
02:47:10,469 --> 02:47:07,920
something with me i wouldn't necessarily

3733
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,479
believe her but i would hear her out

3734
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:12,319
and she didn't give me that opportunity

3735
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:15,120
and i felt that was a real

3736
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:17,920
betrayal of our marriage i really felt

3737
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,000
that strongly yeah

3738
02:47:23,830 --> 02:47:22,319
you can answer this very very

3739
02:47:27,590 --> 02:47:23,840
quickly and briefly

3740
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:27,600
was your lifestyle affluent were you in

3741
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,479
a a neighborhood you know the social

3742
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:33,520
setting and her friends and careers and

3743
02:47:38,469 --> 02:47:36,720
an appearance of the family unit you

3744
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:38,479
know what i mean

3745
02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:41,760
yeah we we lived in a very large home it

3746
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:45,200
was a 13 000 square foot home with a

3747
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:48,720
bowling alley with a big pool and cabana

3748
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:51,840
house we lived on a lake it was

3749
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:54,080
just a gorgeous house that we designed

3750
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:56,479
with a architect and built it took us

3751
02:48:00,710 --> 02:47:58,640
four years to build the house so we we

3752
02:48:03,750 --> 02:48:00,720
were affluent and

3753
02:48:05,990 --> 02:48:03,760
we were real pillars of our community we

3754
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:06,000
were very philanthropic

3755
02:48:11,590 --> 02:48:09,120
um my wife and i started a foundation

3756
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:11,600
and began giving money to the hospital

3757
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:14,560
in ann arbor for instance and other that

3758
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:17,279
the detroit institute of arts was a one

3759
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:21,200
of our dia i love d.i.a

3760
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:22,880
oh

3761
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:23,840
man

3762
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:26,640
that was the first time i saw um like

3763
02:48:31,030 --> 02:48:28,960
all of van gogh's paintings in in one

3764
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:31,040
place i was there for that

3765
02:48:36,710 --> 02:48:33,600
and uh talk talk about a life-changing

3766
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:36,720
thing i love dia anyway okay so let's

3767
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,399
get back to this so that's the

3768
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:40,479
atmosphere that all of this is going

3769
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:41,600
down

3770
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:43,200
certainly she

3771
02:48:49,269 --> 02:48:46,800
is thinking about her life too as well

3772
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:49,279
and what this is

3773
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:52,000
this whole thing could mean

3774
02:48:58,550 --> 02:48:56,720
well i i i you know it's hard for me to

3775
02:49:00,389 --> 02:48:58,560
i mean they're supposed to be

3776
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:00,399
thinking other than

3777
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,200
she was just absolutely 100 convinced

3778
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:05,359
that i had been drugged right

3779
02:49:09,429 --> 02:49:07,680
that i was hallucinating and she was

3780
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:09,439
very concerned about my physical

3781
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:11,920
well-being and my mental well-being sure

3782
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:13,840
and uh and and

3783
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:16,560
i i can relate to that i can understand

3784
02:49:21,910 --> 02:49:19,200
that and and that is

3785
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:21,920
at the end of the day a very loving

3786
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:24,640
response to the situation no doubt and

3787
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:27,359
and looking back on it i'm very

3788
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:28,399
you know

3789
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:33,040
love for me and concern

3790
02:49:39,830 --> 02:49:36,560
um but what ended up happening is it

3791
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:39,840
became kind of a perfect storm situation

3792
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,840
because that morning when i walked into

3793
02:49:45,590 --> 02:49:43,520
the bathroom

3794
02:49:47,590 --> 02:49:45,600
and confronted her and and i said you

3795
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:47,600
know had our roles been switched i would

3796
02:49:51,670 --> 02:49:49,760
have dealt with it very differently i

3797
02:49:55,349 --> 02:49:51,680
i'm really disappointed in the way that

3798
02:49:57,110 --> 02:49:55,359
you i i said i was very angry i didn't

3799
02:49:59,349 --> 02:49:57,120
say i was disappointed i said i'm very

3800
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:59,359
angry with you for for

3801
02:50:03,510 --> 02:50:01,439
shutting me down and not at least

3802
02:50:05,429 --> 02:50:03,520
letting me tell my story

3803
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:05,439
and that led to

3804
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:09,120
a argument in which we were screaming at

3805
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:11,920
each other at the top of our lungs

3806
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:13,840
to the point where

3807
02:50:17,670 --> 02:50:16,640
it became almost humorous i mean it it

3808
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:17,680
was like

3809
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:19,600
um

3810
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:22,880
it i i just i when i realized that it

3811
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:25,520
was just it couldn't go and get any more

3812
02:50:29,750 --> 02:50:26,960
intense

3813
02:50:31,590 --> 02:50:29,760
where her faces were both be beat red

3814
02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:31,600
and i just stopped you know i just

3815
02:50:37,349 --> 02:50:34,000
stopped and she continued yelling

3816
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:37,359
and um wow

3817
02:50:41,590 --> 02:50:39,439
so i i'm going to stop it there i i

3818
02:50:43,590 --> 02:50:41,600
write about this in the book right

3819
02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:43,600
very emotional um

3820
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:46,319
but that resulted ultimately with me

3821
02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:49,279
leaving the bathroom and i go into my my

3822
02:50:55,990 --> 02:50:52,240
bedroom or into my office

3823
02:50:59,030 --> 02:50:56,000
and my wife then called my mother

3824
02:51:02,230 --> 02:50:59,040
and my mother who at the time was

3825
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:02,240
was a academic psychologist teaching at

3826
02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:04,640
a professor teaching at northern arizona

3827
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:07,200
university in flagstaff arizona

3828
02:51:12,309 --> 02:51:09,760
and i happened to walk back into the

3829
02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:12,319
bedroom later that morning when she's on

3830
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:15,040
the phone with my mother and i was very

3831
02:51:19,269 --> 02:51:16,640
angry that

3832
02:51:23,110 --> 02:51:19,279
my wife had called my mother

3833
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:23,120
so i called my mother and uh and i told

3834
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:26,319
her i'd like to come to uh

3835
02:51:32,469 --> 02:51:29,439
to uh meet her and my father face to

3836
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:32,479
face and tell my story

3837
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:35,359
so they agreed and so on the

3838
02:51:41,110 --> 02:51:37,920
day after thanksgiving i flew from

3839
02:51:43,830 --> 02:51:41,120
detroit to phoenix and drove up to phil

3840
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:43,840
to uh flagstaff and i spent

3841
02:51:48,630 --> 02:51:46,479
two days with my parents explaining

3842
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,640
the uh telling them everything telling

3843
02:51:51,590 --> 02:51:50,240
them exactly what i just shared with

3844
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:51,600
your audience

3845
02:51:56,389 --> 02:51:53,920
and that that this being tashbar was

3846
02:51:57,750 --> 02:51:56,399
still in my body at that time and i i

3847
02:51:59,110 --> 02:51:57,760
was uh

3848
02:52:02,150 --> 02:51:59,120
you know

3849
02:52:04,070 --> 02:52:02,160
letting them know this and that he

3850
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,080
that he was telling me

3851
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,080
things to share with them

3852
02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:08,000
and i was we were having dinner that

3853
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:10,000
first night that i arrived

3854
02:52:14,550 --> 02:52:12,399
and uh as we were having dinner i said

3855
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,560
you know teshbar wants me to share this

3856
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:16,000
with with you

3857
02:52:22,230 --> 02:52:18,560
and i and i began telling them what

3858
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:22,240
tajbar wanted me to share with them

3859
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:24,240
the

3860
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:35,920
now you're

3861
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:38,640
discussing this with your parents

3862
02:52:43,110 --> 02:52:40,319
i don't know how

3863
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:43,120
you emotionally you know got through it

3864
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:44,960
without like you know maybe a total

3865
02:52:49,110 --> 02:52:46,160
breakdown

3866
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:49,120
um were you okay

3867
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:51,359
i was okay um

3868
02:52:54,950 --> 02:52:52,720
now

3869
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:54,960
one thing i haven't talked about yet is

3870
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:57,600
that on thanksgiving day

3871
02:53:01,190 --> 02:53:00,080
i basically told my wife i wanted a

3872
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:01,200
divorce

3873
02:53:05,750 --> 02:53:04,240
um that's what happened in the bathroom

3874
02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:05,760
and uh

3875
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:08,319
and so i left that bathroom telling her

3876
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:10,560
our marriage had ended

3877
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:13,760
and um wow and i went into my office to

3878
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:16,960
contemplate my next you know

3879
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:19,920
move you know my next my plans

3880
02:53:23,910 --> 02:53:21,920
of moving out and i was very

3881
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:23,920
i was absolutely committed to this

3882
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:26,479
decision of of separating

3883
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:29,600
and um and filing for divorce ultimately

3884
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:31,680
which i ended up doing

3885
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:33,920
um

3886
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:36,240
but uh

3887
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:39,840
but but um that night you know we we

3888
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:42,880
were having thanksgiving dinner at our

3889
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:45,200
niece's house my wife's niece had

3890
02:53:48,389 --> 02:53:47,359
invited us over for

3891
02:53:51,269 --> 02:53:48,399
um

3892
02:53:54,469 --> 02:53:51,279
for thanksgiving and my daughter who had

3893
02:53:57,590 --> 02:53:54,479
just graduated from college

3894
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:57,600
was now living in ann arbor and

3895
02:54:02,389 --> 02:53:59,680
she was taking a gap year between

3896
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:02,399
medical school she decided to

3897
02:54:06,790 --> 02:54:04,240
go into medical school

3898
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:06,800
and took a a year break and worked at

3899
02:54:11,670 --> 02:54:08,720
the university of michigan in the stem

3900
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:11,680
cell research lab with a woman named ava

3901
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:14,000
feldman who's one of the world experts

3902
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:16,319
on stem cell research

3903
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:19,279
so my daughter was living in ann arbor

3904
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:21,279
and came to stay with us during

3905
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:23,760
thanksgiving and we were all going to

3906
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:26,479
leave to go to

3907
02:54:29,830 --> 02:54:28,800
our thanksgiving dinner at our niece's

3908
02:54:33,190 --> 02:54:29,840
house

3909
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:33,200
and i did not want to go i told my wife

3910
02:54:38,389 --> 02:54:35,920
after i came back um later in the

3911
02:54:40,389 --> 02:54:38,399
afternoon i said listen uh i'm not going

3912
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:40,399
to thanksgiving dinner

3913
02:54:45,429 --> 02:54:43,600
i'm not feeling up to it and um

3914
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:45,439
and i think you and erica our daughter

3915
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:49,359
should go and uh and then um

3916
02:54:53,910 --> 02:54:50,960
i'll eat alone

3917
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:53,920
so when later that night when my wife

3918
02:54:58,230 --> 02:54:55,680
and my daughter and we also happen to

3919
02:55:00,550 --> 02:54:58,240
have my in-laws who are living staying

3920
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:00,560
with us from indiana were also in the

3921
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:03,520
house they all four left

3922
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:05,840
in the early afternoon around two

3923
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:09,600
o'clock uh three o'clock roughly

3924
02:55:12,870 --> 02:55:11,920
they left to go to thanksgiving

3925
02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:12,880
dinner

3926
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,479
with relatives i was home alone

3927
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:18,160
and

3928
02:55:25,269 --> 02:55:21,760
i sent an email to everyone i had met in

3929
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:25,279
california at the retreat the ce5

3930
02:55:29,510 --> 02:55:26,720
retreat

3931
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:29,520
and i i wrote an email to all of them

3932
02:55:34,150 --> 02:55:32,479
except greer telling them about tejbar

3933
02:55:37,349 --> 02:55:34,160
for the first time that i had this

3934
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:37,359
face-to-face contact with tajbar in that

3935
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:40,319
he had merged with my body and he was

3936
02:55:44,550 --> 02:55:42,240
still within me

3937
02:55:46,870 --> 02:55:44,560
and when i was getting ready to hit the

3938
02:55:49,910 --> 02:55:46,880
send button to that email teshbar

3939
02:55:52,710 --> 02:55:49,920
stopped me and he warned me he said if

3940
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:52,720
you send this email it may put you in

3941
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:54,240
physical harm

3942
02:55:57,670 --> 02:55:56,560
may place you at physical and physical

3943
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:57,680
harm

3944
02:56:02,389 --> 02:56:00,240
and i'm like what you know that does you

3945
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,399
know how why

3946
02:56:05,910 --> 02:56:04,319
and and

3947
02:56:07,910 --> 02:56:05,920
i i was

3948
02:56:10,950 --> 02:56:07,920
he just said that

3949
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:10,960
to something to the extent that

3950
02:56:17,990 --> 02:56:15,600
your email will be monitored and that

3951
02:56:20,790 --> 02:56:18,000
they'll know by the description of what

3952
02:56:23,670 --> 02:56:20,800
you wrote who and what i am

3953
02:56:27,269 --> 02:56:23,680
and that will be a threat to somebody

3954
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:27,279
and i and i just found it so outlandish

3955
02:56:31,990 --> 02:56:29,439
i didn't take it seriously i hit the

3956
02:56:34,469 --> 02:56:32,000
send button impulsively

3957
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,479
and right after i hit the send button i

3958
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:37,120
started sweating

3959
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:38,160
and

3960
02:56:41,750 --> 02:56:40,240
it wasn't i wasn't nervous but it was

3961
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:41,760
teshbar

3962
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:44,080
who was having us you know some kind of

3963
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:45,680
psychosomatic

3964
02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:47,040
um

3965
02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:49,720
reaction within my body causing me to

3966
02:56:56,230 --> 02:56:52,479
profusely sweat under my armpits it was

3967
02:56:59,910 --> 02:56:56,240
like a water fountain under my arms

3968
02:57:01,990 --> 02:56:59,920
and i i took notice of this and then i

3969
02:57:04,070 --> 02:57:02,000
checked in with tashbar and i said

3970
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:04,080
teshbar what's going on and he says mark

3971
02:57:08,429 --> 02:57:05,760
you are in

3972
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:08,439
you're in physical danger you need to be

3973
02:57:14,469 --> 02:57:11,279
extremely careful

3974
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,479
so i lived in this uh

3975
02:57:18,790 --> 02:57:16,720
gated community where we built this

3976
02:57:20,469 --> 02:57:18,800
house i described with the bowling alley

3977
02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:20,479
in the pool

3978
02:57:25,670 --> 02:57:23,680
and there was a guard house and anybody

3979
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:25,680
coming into the gated community had to

3980
02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:27,840
get checked in by the guard

3981
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:30,720
so i immediately called the guard

3982
02:57:34,389 --> 02:57:31,840
and

3983
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:34,399
told them that i wasn't expecting any

3984
02:57:39,030 --> 02:57:36,800
guests and to please be extra careful

3985
02:57:41,590 --> 02:57:39,040
letting anybody through the the

3986
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:41,600
gatehouse that only the people who are

3987
02:57:46,230 --> 02:57:43,840
on a list that we maintain

3988
02:57:48,230 --> 02:57:46,240
who are known friends and family are

3989
02:57:51,590 --> 02:57:48,240
allowed to come through anybody else

3990
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:51,600
asking to come to see me uh please make

3991
02:57:56,389 --> 02:57:53,920
sure you call me first i i made this a

3992
02:57:58,710 --> 02:57:56,399
big point of this and this phone call

3993
02:58:00,389 --> 02:57:58,720
was made at roughly 3 pm in the

3994
02:58:02,950 --> 02:58:00,399
afternoon because i

3995
02:58:03,349 --> 02:58:02,960
after all that went

3996
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:03,359
uh down

3997
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:06,960
i recorded all my logs for my phone

3998
02:58:13,510 --> 02:58:11,200
so uh so i i talked to the guard and he

3999
02:58:16,150 --> 02:58:13,520
made a note of it he was very clear yes

4000
02:58:18,550 --> 02:58:16,160
mr sims you know i'll be sure to not let

4001
02:58:19,349 --> 02:58:18,560
anybody through and i said you know i i

4002
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:19,359
don't

4003
02:58:23,590 --> 02:58:21,920
you know i i'm i it's probably nothing

4004
02:58:26,070 --> 02:58:23,600
i'm just a little concerned a friend of

4005
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:26,080
mine called me and said maybe i i'd be

4006
02:58:30,630 --> 02:58:28,240
in physical harm so please be extra

4007
02:58:32,630 --> 02:58:30,640
careful so you let through

4008
02:58:35,510 --> 02:58:32,640
so my wife

4009
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:35,520
had uh left with the family

4010
02:58:39,670 --> 02:58:38,319
and i was home alone and at seven

4011
02:58:42,790 --> 02:58:39,680
o'clock

4012
02:58:46,790 --> 02:58:42,800
i got hungry and i went upstairs to make

4013
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:46,800
myself dinner and as i had just placed

4014
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:49,279
the fish and some

4015
02:58:52,630 --> 02:58:51,600
uh vegetables i'd cut up to roast in the

4016
02:58:54,790 --> 02:58:52,640
oven

4017
02:58:57,590 --> 02:58:54,800
my phone rings

4018
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:57,600
my my landline and my house rings and i

4019
02:59:02,710 --> 02:58:59,760
answer it and it's the guard that i had

4020
02:59:04,710 --> 02:59:02,720
spoken to just four hours earlier he's

4021
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:04,720
still on duty working

4022
02:59:10,150 --> 02:59:07,279
uh and this is thanksgiving day

4023
02:59:12,469 --> 02:59:10,160
and uh he says uh mr sims this is uh

4024
02:59:15,110 --> 02:59:12,479
rudy his name was rudy and he says this

4025
02:59:17,190 --> 02:59:15,120
is rudy um i just wanted to let you know

4026
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:17,200
that audrey sims is on her way to see

4027
02:59:20,710 --> 02:59:18,080
you

4028
02:59:23,670 --> 02:59:20,720
and i'm said rudy who's audrey sims and

4029
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:23,680
he started stuttering he was going uh do

4030
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:26,560
don't don't you know an audrey sims and

4031
02:59:33,110 --> 02:59:30,240
i said no i do not who who is she and he

4032
02:59:34,230 --> 02:59:33,120
says well i don't know mr sims but she's

4033
02:59:36,710 --> 02:59:34,240
on her way

4034
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:36,720
and i said well is she alone and he says

4035
02:59:40,469 --> 02:59:39,120
no she's with two men

4036
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:40,479
and i said what kind of car are they

4037
02:59:46,510 --> 02:59:44,000
driving and he says a black suv

4038
02:59:49,190 --> 02:59:46,520
and i said rudy call

4039
02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:49,200
911 i'm in trouble

4040
02:59:55,190 --> 02:59:52,240
and i hang up and i know that i've got a

4041
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:55,200
very short amount of time to go hide out

4042
03:00:00,630 --> 02:59:57,600
in my home i have this huge 13 000

4043
03:00:03,670 --> 03:00:00,640
square foot home lots of hiding places

4044
03:00:06,070 --> 03:00:03,680
but i don't have a gun or any weapons

4045
03:00:09,910 --> 03:00:06,080
but i did happen to have hanging in my

4046
03:00:11,590 --> 03:00:09,920
office at tomahawk this very very big

4047
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:11,600
heavy tomahawk

4048
03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:14,160
and i pulled it off the wall and i went

4049
03:00:18,790 --> 03:00:16,960
and hit off hid in my garage

4050
03:00:21,030 --> 03:00:18,800
and the reason i hit into my garage is

4051
03:00:24,630 --> 03:00:21,040
because from that vantage point i could

4052
03:00:26,950 --> 03:00:24,640
see anybody entering my my driveway

4053
03:00:29,510 --> 03:00:26,960
and i would figure it would be one of

4054
03:00:30,389 --> 03:00:29,520
the last places anybody would be looking

4055
03:00:35,670 --> 03:00:30,399
for

4056
03:00:36,950 --> 03:00:35,680
so i just sat in there and as soon as i

4057
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:36,960
got into

4058
03:00:40,389 --> 03:00:38,399
the garage

4059
03:00:44,070 --> 03:00:40,399
and was looking out the window and mind

4060
03:00:46,469 --> 03:00:44,080
you at 7 00 pm at night in november

4061
03:00:47,510 --> 03:00:46,479
in michigan it's very dark it was pitch

4062
03:00:53,910 --> 03:00:47,520
black

4063
03:00:57,190 --> 03:00:53,920
garage looking out the window and here

4064
03:00:58,870 --> 03:00:57,200
comes a black suv

4065
03:01:00,309 --> 03:00:58,880
down the street and turns into my

4066
03:01:01,990 --> 03:01:00,319
driveway

4067
03:01:04,469 --> 03:01:02,000
and i

4068
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:04,479
i started shaking like a leaf i was so

4069
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:08,080
scared because i knew this was not good

4070
03:01:13,110 --> 03:01:11,520
so i ran to the back of the garage to

4071
03:01:15,190 --> 03:01:13,120
get away from the window because i

4072
03:01:17,830 --> 03:01:15,200
wanted to call rudy the guard to make

4073
03:01:19,590 --> 03:01:17,840
sure he had called 9-1-1 and i wanted to

4074
03:01:23,349 --> 03:01:19,600
go in the corner of the garage so that

4075
03:01:26,150 --> 03:01:23,359
the illumination of my of my

4076
03:01:28,790 --> 03:01:26,160
phone wouldn't give me away okay let me

4077
03:01:33,110 --> 03:01:28,800
stop it let me stop you right there

4078
03:01:35,030 --> 03:01:33,120
i'm letting the network know race um and

4079
03:01:37,990 --> 03:01:35,040
everybody else

4080
03:01:40,230 --> 03:01:38,000
i'm not signing off at 10 p.m we are

4081
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:40,240
going to continue if you want to keep us

4082
03:01:43,670 --> 03:01:41,520
on the air

4083
03:01:45,429 --> 03:01:43,680
don't run commercials i won't run

4084
03:01:46,630 --> 03:01:45,439
commercials from here

4085
03:01:48,710 --> 03:01:46,640
okay

4086
03:01:51,830 --> 03:01:48,720
back to you

4087
03:01:53,670 --> 03:01:51,840
mark so okay so the suv is coming up the

4088
03:01:56,389 --> 03:01:53,680
driveway

4089
03:01:58,950 --> 03:01:56,399
and uh and when it turns into my

4090
03:02:03,269 --> 03:01:58,960
driveway it it goes right past the

4091
03:02:05,349 --> 03:02:03,279
window where i'm hiding out and so i run

4092
03:02:07,590 --> 03:02:05,359
into the back of the garage back away

4093
03:02:10,870 --> 03:02:07,600
from the window to make my phone call to

4094
03:02:14,469 --> 03:02:10,880
the guard and when i call him i say did

4095
03:02:17,349 --> 03:02:14,479
he he uh he answers the phone and i said

4096
03:02:19,429 --> 03:02:17,359
did you call 9-1-1 and he said no mr

4097
03:02:20,870 --> 03:02:19,439
sims i can't get an outside line and i

4098
03:02:23,590 --> 03:02:20,880
said what do you mean you can't get an

4099
03:02:25,830 --> 03:02:23,600
outside line i'm i'm talking to you on

4100
03:02:28,630 --> 03:02:25,840
the on your land line he says i know mr

4101
03:02:31,429 --> 03:02:28,640
sims but when i pick up the the my phone

4102
03:02:32,950 --> 03:02:31,439
and i try to make a phone call i it

4103
03:02:34,950 --> 03:02:32,960
doesn't go through

4104
03:02:36,630 --> 03:02:34,960
and i said you have a cell phone he says

4105
03:02:39,269 --> 03:02:36,640
yes i have a cell phone i said call

4106
03:02:42,070 --> 03:02:39,279
9-1-1 on your cell phone and i hang up

4107
03:02:45,349 --> 03:02:42,080
with them and then i call 9-1-1 and the

4108
03:02:47,830 --> 03:02:45,359
9-1-1 operator in bloomfield hills

4109
03:02:49,990 --> 03:02:47,840
michigan on that night of thanksgiving

4110
03:02:52,950 --> 03:02:50,000
gets two simultaneous

4111
03:02:55,990 --> 03:02:52,960
9-1-1 calls one from the guard house

4112
03:02:57,510 --> 03:02:56,000
and one from me both telling them that

4113
03:02:58,790 --> 03:02:57,520
i'm in trouble

4114
03:03:01,429 --> 03:02:58,800
and so

4115
03:03:03,590 --> 03:03:01,439
you know the the 911 operator wants to

4116
03:03:05,670 --> 03:03:03,600
ask me a hundred questions about the

4117
03:03:07,429 --> 03:03:05,680
nature of the threat and so i'm

4118
03:03:09,269 --> 03:03:07,439
answering all these questions about

4119
03:03:11,510 --> 03:03:09,279
where i'm located in the house and what

4120
03:03:14,309 --> 03:03:11,520
my address is and what's the nature of

4121
03:03:15,910 --> 03:03:14,319
my emergency and all this stuff and i'm

4122
03:03:18,150 --> 03:03:15,920
not looking out the window while this is

4123
03:03:20,309 --> 03:03:18,160
going on because i'm on my phone and i'm

4124
03:03:21,750 --> 03:03:20,319
in the dark and i don't want to be near

4125
03:03:24,309 --> 03:03:21,760
the window

4126
03:03:26,389 --> 03:03:24,319
so while this long conversation is going

4127
03:03:28,950 --> 03:03:26,399
on on my cell phone

4128
03:03:32,550 --> 03:03:28,960
i am beginning to come become worried

4129
03:03:34,710 --> 03:03:32,560
that i am distracted and i you know

4130
03:03:36,389 --> 03:03:34,720
whoever's in that black suv may be

4131
03:03:38,309 --> 03:03:36,399
entering my house

4132
03:03:41,030 --> 03:03:38,319
and starting to search through the house

4133
03:03:42,950 --> 03:03:41,040
looking for me and i want to be on alert

4134
03:03:45,990 --> 03:03:42,960
and listen and i want to be quiet and so

4135
03:03:47,670 --> 03:03:46,000
i tell the 911 operator i have to hang

4136
03:03:49,590 --> 03:03:47,680
up and i hang up on her

4137
03:03:52,309 --> 03:03:49,600
so i go to the window and i look out the

4138
03:03:55,110 --> 03:03:52,319
window and i don't see a car i don't see

4139
03:03:57,590 --> 03:03:55,120
this black suv but

4140
03:04:00,550 --> 03:03:57,600
the way the angle of my window is such

4141
03:04:02,630 --> 03:04:00,560
that the car could be in

4142
03:04:04,230 --> 03:04:02,640
right at the entrance of my front door

4143
03:04:06,790 --> 03:04:04,240
and i couldn't see it because of the

4144
03:04:08,950 --> 03:04:06,800
angle of the window sure

4145
03:04:10,950 --> 03:04:08,960
and uh so i'm not sure

4146
03:04:12,790 --> 03:04:10,960
so i just sit there

4147
03:04:15,830 --> 03:04:12,800
listening carefully i don't hear

4148
03:04:18,630 --> 03:04:15,840
anything and then my phone rings

4149
03:04:19,830 --> 03:04:18,640
and it rings loud because i had the

4150
03:04:22,550 --> 03:04:19,840
ringer on

4151
03:04:25,030 --> 03:04:22,560
and i'm fumbling for it i drop the phone

4152
03:04:26,710 --> 03:04:25,040
because i'm shaking like a leaf i drop

4153
03:04:29,830 --> 03:04:26,720
it on the ground i pick it up and i

4154
03:04:31,990 --> 03:04:29,840
answer it and it's the 911 operator

4155
03:04:33,830 --> 03:04:32,000
calling me back saying mark you know mr

4156
03:04:35,670 --> 03:04:33,840
sims we have to ask you more questions

4157
03:04:37,750 --> 03:04:35,680
about the nature of your emergency and i

4158
03:04:39,590 --> 03:04:37,760
said are the police on their way and she

4159
03:04:42,710 --> 03:04:39,600
said yes the police are on their way and

4160
03:04:45,349 --> 03:04:42,720
i said good and i hung up on her and i

4161
03:04:47,190 --> 03:04:45,359
took the ringer off my phone and i

4162
03:04:49,190 --> 03:04:47,200
continued looking out the window and i

4163
03:04:51,590 --> 03:04:49,200
didn't see anything and i was waiting

4164
03:04:54,230 --> 03:04:51,600
for the police to show up and after

4165
03:04:56,309 --> 03:04:54,240
about five or six seven minutes i

4166
03:04:59,030 --> 03:04:56,319
started hearing somebody walking out in

4167
03:05:00,710 --> 03:04:59,040
the driveway i couldn't see them but i

4168
03:05:03,030 --> 03:05:00,720
could hear them

4169
03:05:06,230 --> 03:05:03,040
and i heard footsteps all around

4170
03:05:07,590 --> 03:05:06,240
and then i heard the doorbell so in my

4171
03:05:09,750 --> 03:05:07,600
house i've got

4172
03:05:12,309 --> 03:05:09,760
a doorbell system that rings on a

4173
03:05:16,309 --> 03:05:12,319
speakers that includes the speakers in

4174
03:05:18,790 --> 03:05:16,319
my in my garage so when i hear that

4175
03:05:21,830 --> 03:05:18,800
i figure you know what i am going to

4176
03:05:23,750 --> 03:05:21,840
just go outside and assume if it's the

4177
03:05:25,830 --> 03:05:23,760
bad guys the police are going to be

4178
03:05:27,349 --> 03:05:25,840
showing up any second

4179
03:05:29,269 --> 03:05:27,359
and i'll be okay

4180
03:05:31,750 --> 03:05:29,279
or it's the police

4181
03:05:33,590 --> 03:05:31,760
so i walk out and i have the tomahawk in

4182
03:05:35,510 --> 03:05:33,600
my hand

4183
03:05:39,030 --> 03:05:35,520
and i walk out of the side door of my

4184
03:05:41,030 --> 03:05:39,040
garage into the driveway and a policeman

4185
03:05:43,110 --> 03:05:41,040
draws a gun and

4186
03:05:45,269 --> 03:05:43,120
rushes up to me and he says

4187
03:05:47,670 --> 03:05:45,279
who are you and i said i'm the homeowner

4188
03:05:50,630 --> 03:05:47,680
i'm mark sims the homeowner and he says

4189
03:05:54,550 --> 03:05:50,640
what's in your hand and i said tomahawk

4190
03:05:56,710 --> 03:05:54,560
and he said put the tomahawk down slowly

4191
03:05:57,750 --> 03:05:56,720
on the ground and put your hands behind

4192
03:06:00,469 --> 03:05:57,760
your head

4193
03:06:03,349 --> 03:06:00,479
so i put the tomahawk on the ground very

4194
03:06:06,150 --> 03:06:03,359
slowly i put my hands behind my head he

4195
03:06:07,030 --> 03:06:06,160
comes up to me he pats me down and he

4196
03:06:09,590 --> 03:06:07,040
says

4197
03:06:12,389 --> 03:06:09,600
you're mr sims and i said yes

4198
03:06:14,950 --> 03:06:12,399
he he holsters his pistol

4199
03:06:15,670 --> 03:06:14,960
and now two other cops are surrounding

4200
03:06:18,309 --> 03:06:15,680
me

4201
03:06:19,990 --> 03:06:18,319
and he says what is going on here what's

4202
03:06:21,269 --> 03:06:20,000
what is going on

4203
03:06:23,990 --> 03:06:21,279
and i said

4204
03:06:25,990 --> 03:06:24,000
i'd like to tell you officer but you're

4205
03:06:28,870 --> 03:06:26,000
not going to believe me

4206
03:06:32,630 --> 03:06:28,880
and he says you have to tell me he says

4207
03:06:34,550 --> 03:06:32,640
i have a uh a squad of policemen

4208
03:06:37,670 --> 03:06:34,560
surrounding your house their guns are

4209
03:06:39,190 --> 03:06:37,680
drawn they're on high alert and we

4210
03:06:41,510 --> 03:06:39,200
we don't know what we're dealing with

4211
03:06:42,469 --> 03:06:41,520
here and i don't want somebody to get

4212
03:06:44,230 --> 03:06:42,479
hurt

4213
03:06:46,389 --> 03:06:44,240
and so you're going to tell me i mean he

4214
03:06:47,349 --> 03:06:46,399
was in my face and really

4215
03:06:49,750 --> 03:06:47,359
really

4216
03:06:51,429 --> 03:06:49,760
uh aggressive he says you are going to

4217
03:06:54,469 --> 03:06:51,439
tell me what the hell is going on here

4218
03:06:56,230 --> 03:06:54,479
is this a drug uh situation do you have

4219
03:06:58,230 --> 03:06:56,240
guns on the property i said there's no

4220
03:07:01,190 --> 03:06:58,240
guns here there's no drugs

4221
03:07:03,030 --> 03:07:01,200
uh but i i'd rather have a lawyer

4222
03:07:04,950 --> 03:07:03,040
present and he says you're gonna tell

4223
03:07:07,910 --> 03:07:04,960
you there's no lawyer here you're gonna

4224
03:07:09,510 --> 03:07:07,920
tell me and so i said okay i'm gonna

4225
03:07:12,710 --> 03:07:09,520
tell you but you're not going to believe

4226
03:07:15,030 --> 03:07:12,720
me and so i go on to tell my story about

4227
03:07:16,150 --> 03:07:15,040
having been at this greer six day

4228
03:07:17,349 --> 03:07:16,160
retreat

4229
03:07:20,150 --> 03:07:17,359
and having

4230
03:07:22,630 --> 03:07:20,160
seen this craft and then in my hotel

4231
03:07:23,990 --> 03:07:22,640
room i summon an extraterrestrial who

4232
03:07:26,309 --> 03:07:24,000
then enters

4233
03:07:28,790 --> 03:07:26,319
no i don't say he entered my body i just

4234
03:07:31,030 --> 03:07:28,800
said i had a face-to-face contact in my

4235
03:07:32,950 --> 03:07:31,040
hotel room with an extraterrestrial so

4236
03:07:33,990 --> 03:07:32,960
this is the story i'd plan to tell my

4237
03:07:35,990 --> 03:07:34,000
wife

4238
03:07:38,550 --> 03:07:36,000
and so i tell it to the cop

4239
03:07:40,950 --> 03:07:38,560
and he says uh and and these other cops

4240
03:07:42,630 --> 03:07:40,960
are listening to this story

4241
03:07:44,309 --> 03:07:42,640
and there's they're asking me like well

4242
03:07:46,950 --> 03:07:44,319
what did the ct look like and i said

4243
03:07:48,870 --> 03:07:46,960
well he looked he looked human he looked

4244
03:07:50,630 --> 03:07:48,880
uh he looked latino you know i'm

4245
03:07:53,670 --> 03:07:50,640
thinking you know south american you

4246
03:07:56,070 --> 03:07:53,680
know he's from brego from uh tierra del

4247
03:07:59,110 --> 03:07:56,080
fuego so i'm thinking he's argentinian

4248
03:08:01,750 --> 03:07:59,120
and and i'm in in this police office

4249
03:08:04,469 --> 03:08:01,760
officer who asked me the question was

4250
03:08:06,389 --> 03:08:04,479
latino and i said he kind of looked like

4251
03:08:08,389 --> 03:08:06,399
you

4252
03:08:10,630 --> 03:08:08,399
and it was a complete fabrication of

4253
03:08:13,110 --> 03:08:10,640
course but i was just trying to bring

4254
03:08:15,670 --> 03:08:13,120
some levity to the situation

4255
03:08:18,950 --> 03:08:15,680
and uh and it worked because he kind of

4256
03:08:21,510 --> 03:08:18,960
smiled a little bit and and then they

4257
03:08:23,670 --> 03:08:21,520
just continued asking me questions about

4258
03:08:26,389 --> 03:08:23,680
what was going on here and i just said

4259
03:08:29,030 --> 03:08:26,399
listen this extraterrestrial

4260
03:08:32,070 --> 03:08:29,040
told me that if i sent an email that i

4261
03:08:34,710 --> 03:08:32,080
had drafted earlier this afternoon that

4262
03:08:37,429 --> 03:08:34,720
i would be putting myself in harm's way

4263
03:08:40,790 --> 03:08:37,439
and when i sent the email anyway

4264
03:08:43,269 --> 03:08:40,800
uh i discovered that indeed i may be in

4265
03:08:45,190 --> 03:08:43,279
harm's way and i called the guard house

4266
03:08:46,790 --> 03:08:45,200
and i warned them not to let anybody

4267
03:08:48,630 --> 03:08:46,800
through and they let somebody through

4268
03:08:50,870 --> 03:08:48,640
that wasn't on the list and he says yeah

4269
03:08:53,429 --> 03:08:50,880
we talked to the guard he confirms your

4270
03:08:54,710 --> 03:08:53,439
story and uh but

4271
03:08:59,110 --> 03:08:54,720
you know

4272
03:09:01,510 --> 03:08:59,120
and i said i don't know who they were i

4273
03:09:02,389 --> 03:09:01,520
just know that they were they weren't

4274
03:09:04,950 --> 03:09:02,399
invited

4275
03:09:06,309 --> 03:09:04,960
and i'm really frightened by it and

4276
03:09:08,389 --> 03:09:06,319
right when i'm

4277
03:09:11,590 --> 03:09:08,399
into this part of the story

4278
03:09:14,870 --> 03:09:11,600
my my wife and my daughter and my

4279
03:09:17,429 --> 03:09:14,880
in-laws drive into the driveway

4280
03:09:19,910 --> 03:09:17,439
now mind you that this is

4281
03:09:21,830 --> 03:09:19,920
there are cops surrounding my house

4282
03:09:24,389 --> 03:09:21,840
still who have not been hearing this

4283
03:09:26,389 --> 03:09:24,399
story that i'm relaying to the officer

4284
03:09:28,389 --> 03:09:26,399
and these two other officers

4285
03:09:29,590 --> 03:09:28,399
there's a guy in there's an officer in

4286
03:09:32,469 --> 03:09:29,600
the street

4287
03:09:35,030 --> 03:09:32,479
and when my wife's car pulls into the

4288
03:09:37,830 --> 03:09:35,040
driveway he rushes up to the drive to

4289
03:09:39,349 --> 03:09:37,840
the car with his pistol and points it

4290
03:09:42,229 --> 03:09:39,359
into the window

4291
03:09:44,229 --> 03:09:42,239
and my my daughter is driving the car

4292
03:09:47,110 --> 03:09:44,239
and she said

4293
03:09:50,389 --> 03:09:47,120
and the officer who's in charge the lead

4294
03:09:53,190 --> 03:09:50,399
deputy he's who's interviewing me

4295
03:09:55,429 --> 03:09:53,200
looks at the situation and he's he just

4296
03:09:57,429 --> 03:09:55,439
grabs his head and he says is this your

4297
03:09:59,750 --> 03:09:57,439
family and i said yes it's my family

4298
03:10:01,910 --> 03:09:59,760
returning from thanksgiving dinner

4299
03:10:03,910 --> 03:10:01,920
and he says you stay here i'm gonna go

4300
03:10:06,870 --> 03:10:03,920
talk to them so he goes and talks to

4301
03:10:09,830 --> 03:10:06,880
them and about 15 minutes later he comes

4302
03:10:12,630 --> 03:10:09,840
and comes back to me and he says your

4303
03:10:13,670 --> 03:10:12,640
your wife tells me that you have agreed

4304
03:10:15,429 --> 03:10:13,680
to go

4305
03:10:18,070 --> 03:10:15,439
see a doctor and that you're going to

4306
03:10:21,110 --> 03:10:18,080
get a full psychiatric evaluation and i

4307
03:10:25,429 --> 03:10:21,120
said yes i i plan on doing that he said

4308
03:10:28,790 --> 03:10:25,439
good i think she that's a very good idea

4309
03:10:30,790 --> 03:10:28,800
so my wife then walks into the house i

4310
03:10:34,229 --> 03:10:30,800
we all go into the house

4311
03:10:35,590 --> 03:10:34,239
the officer tells the deputies to go

4312
03:10:37,590 --> 03:10:35,600
with me to

4313
03:10:39,670 --> 03:10:37,600
search the house for any possible

4314
03:10:41,670 --> 03:10:39,680
intruders

4315
03:10:43,990 --> 03:10:41,680
which we do which takes a long time in a

4316
03:10:47,030 --> 03:10:44,000
13 000 foot square house it took us

4317
03:10:49,830 --> 03:10:47,040
about 45 minutes to search every closet

4318
03:10:52,950 --> 03:10:49,840
every part of the house and of course

4319
03:10:55,750 --> 03:10:52,960
these officers are are you know

4320
03:10:57,510 --> 03:10:55,760
impressed by my bowling alley and you

4321
03:10:59,110 --> 03:10:57,520
know everything else

4322
03:11:00,070 --> 03:10:59,120
and um

4323
03:11:01,990 --> 03:11:00,080
you know

4324
03:11:04,790 --> 03:11:02,000
asking me what i did for a living you

4325
03:11:06,469 --> 03:11:04,800
know they so this became

4326
03:11:08,870 --> 03:11:06,479
became kind of a

4327
03:11:10,630 --> 03:11:08,880
tour of my house

4328
03:11:12,710 --> 03:11:10,640
and finally when we were done we came

4329
03:11:15,269 --> 03:11:12,720
back in the kitchen and my wife is

4330
03:11:16,630 --> 03:11:15,279
talking to the lead detective

4331
03:11:17,510 --> 03:11:16,640
and um

4332
03:11:19,670 --> 03:11:17,520
and

4333
03:11:20,790 --> 03:11:19,680
he basically says

4334
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:20,800
to me

4335
03:11:23,750 --> 03:11:22,720
you know please

4336
03:11:26,229 --> 03:11:23,760
you know

4337
03:11:30,550 --> 03:11:26,239
follow your wife's instructions go to

4338
03:11:32,469 --> 03:11:30,560
see that doctor and um and he leaves

4339
03:11:34,950 --> 03:11:32,479
and he he's

4340
03:11:38,070 --> 03:11:34,960
troubled with what how to classify the

4341
03:11:40,870 --> 03:11:38,080
report because he has to file a report

4342
03:11:42,790 --> 03:11:40,880
so anyway um what happened to the black

4343
03:11:49,670 --> 03:11:42,800
suv

4344
03:11:52,550 --> 03:11:49,680
evidently when i went to call

4345
03:11:56,070 --> 03:11:52,560
did rudy what about license plates and

4346
03:11:58,790 --> 03:11:56,080
did rudy was there any uh videotape

4347
03:12:02,229 --> 03:11:58,800
well the the the officer

4348
03:12:05,110 --> 03:12:02,239
i told the officer that there was video

4349
03:12:08,630 --> 03:12:05,120
and that he should check with the

4350
03:12:11,030 --> 03:12:08,640
uh guard to recover the the video

4351
03:12:12,710 --> 03:12:11,040
but unfortunately the officer did not

4352
03:12:14,790 --> 03:12:12,720
follow through on that the next day

4353
03:12:19,990 --> 03:12:14,800
because we would have had video but it

4354
03:12:25,670 --> 03:12:23,110
and by by the time i had found this out

4355
03:12:27,110 --> 03:12:25,680
uh there was no chance of recovering

4356
03:12:30,469 --> 03:12:27,120
that video

4357
03:12:32,870 --> 03:12:30,479
and the gate to go out of the gated

4358
03:12:34,870 --> 03:12:32,880
community will open automatically you

4359
03:12:36,870 --> 03:12:34,880
don't have to check in with the guard to

4360
03:12:39,110 --> 03:12:36,880
leave you just pull up to the gate and

4361
03:12:41,990 --> 03:12:39,120
the arm lifts and you leave

4362
03:12:44,950 --> 03:12:42,000
so um that was

4363
03:12:46,389 --> 03:12:44,960
how they left did so did rudy see them

4364
03:12:48,309 --> 03:12:46,399
leave

4365
03:12:50,309 --> 03:12:48,319
no he did not

4366
03:12:54,309 --> 03:12:50,319
right okay okay

4367
03:12:57,110 --> 03:12:54,319
okay and um so i ended up rudy by the

4368
03:12:58,870 --> 03:12:57,120
way ended up getting fired from his job

4369
03:13:01,510 --> 03:12:58,880
the next day

4370
03:13:04,389 --> 03:13:01,520
for for breaching the protocol because

4371
03:13:06,630 --> 03:13:04,399
he he he broke the rules i mean these

4372
03:13:08,630 --> 03:13:06,640
guys are hired and he was

4373
03:13:10,950 --> 03:13:08,640
a lot one of the first

4374
03:13:12,950 --> 03:13:10,960
uh security guards that the gated

4375
03:13:15,830 --> 03:13:12,960
community had hired

4376
03:13:18,229 --> 03:13:15,840
and i had known him for many years i'd

4377
03:13:21,110 --> 03:13:18,239
lived there by that time this is 2012

4378
03:13:23,510 --> 03:13:21,120
and we moved in there in 2004 so he had

4379
03:13:26,630 --> 03:13:23,520
been our the senior guard there for

4380
03:13:28,870 --> 03:13:26,640
eight years right right and he lost his

4381
03:13:29,590 --> 03:13:28,880
job the next day he was fired because of

4382
03:13:33,990 --> 03:13:29,600
the

4383
03:13:35,910 --> 03:13:34,000
was a major deal

4384
03:13:38,070 --> 03:13:35,920
and um

4385
03:13:40,790 --> 03:13:38,080
and so

4386
03:13:43,269 --> 03:13:40,800
so anyway he i never got a chance to

4387
03:13:45,990 --> 03:13:43,279
interview him until years later i was

4388
03:13:48,309 --> 03:13:46,000
able to track him down and i interviewed

4389
03:13:51,190 --> 03:13:48,319
him and i videotaped him in an interview

4390
03:13:53,910 --> 03:13:51,200
which i have on my vimeo account

4391
03:13:56,630 --> 03:13:53,920
and we recall that whole story

4392
03:13:59,030 --> 03:13:56,640
and he re he tells his you know his

4393
03:14:01,590 --> 03:13:59,040
point of view what had happened and and

4394
03:14:04,150 --> 03:14:01,600
he confirms all these things i'm sharing

4395
03:14:06,150 --> 03:14:04,160
with you at least from his perspective

4396
03:14:08,870 --> 03:14:06,160
that i indeed called in the afternoon

4397
03:14:10,389 --> 03:14:08,880
warning him and then he let the let the

4398
03:14:11,910 --> 03:14:10,399
car through and he

4399
03:14:15,590 --> 03:14:11,920
he claims that

4400
03:14:18,150 --> 03:14:15,600
that this woman

4401
03:14:20,469 --> 03:14:18,160
her name was audrey sims

4402
03:14:23,269 --> 03:14:20,479
was sitting in the back seat of the suv

4403
03:14:25,030 --> 03:14:23,279
which was being driven by a man and uh

4404
03:14:26,389 --> 03:14:25,040
there was somebody in the passenger seat

4405
03:14:28,870 --> 03:14:26,399
that was a man

4406
03:14:33,030 --> 03:14:28,880
and that she had cracked the window open

4407
03:14:35,429 --> 03:14:33,040
a few inches she couldn't identify her

4408
03:14:36,550 --> 03:14:35,439
she just basically saw a black

4409
03:14:37,510 --> 03:14:36,560
silhouette

4410
03:14:47,110 --> 03:14:37,520
and

4411
03:14:48,950 --> 03:14:47,120
is because she had gone through before

4412
03:14:51,190 --> 03:14:48,960
and he thought he was she was on the

4413
03:14:53,830 --> 03:14:51,200
list which she hadn't but she had been

4414
03:14:56,229 --> 03:14:53,840
coming evidently to my house

4415
03:14:59,990 --> 03:14:56,239
before a few times

4416
03:15:02,950 --> 03:15:00,000
and he had let her through because

4417
03:15:06,950 --> 03:15:02,960
however that or originated i don't know

4418
03:15:10,229 --> 03:15:06,960
he couldn't he couldn't explain it so uh

4419
03:15:12,229 --> 03:15:10,239
so it's very very strange uh to say the

4420
03:15:14,469 --> 03:15:12,239
least

4421
03:15:17,830 --> 03:15:14,479
that's an incredible story go ahead and

4422
03:15:20,309 --> 03:15:17,840
finish your thought so so anyway that's

4423
03:15:24,469 --> 03:15:20,319
my men in black encounter which happened

4424
03:15:27,030 --> 03:15:24,479
the evening of thanksgiving day 2012

4425
03:15:28,710 --> 03:15:27,040
as i'm still in this state of communion

4426
03:15:30,389 --> 03:15:28,720
with tejbar

4427
03:15:33,110 --> 03:15:30,399
and

4428
03:15:36,150 --> 03:15:33,120
i now

4429
03:15:39,429 --> 03:15:36,160
years later reflecting on what was

4430
03:15:40,950 --> 03:15:39,439
transpiring i can understand now the

4431
03:15:42,150 --> 03:15:40,960
threat that

4432
03:15:46,070 --> 03:15:42,160
tejbar

4433
03:15:49,030 --> 03:15:46,080
represented to to this dark

4434
03:15:51,670 --> 03:15:49,040
these dark beings you could call them

4435
03:15:53,510 --> 03:15:51,680
now um and thank you for

4436
03:15:56,790 --> 03:15:53,520
staying late

4437
03:16:00,870 --> 03:15:56,800
um i i i have never gone this late on

4438
03:16:02,469 --> 03:16:00,880
the show but i i i want to uh get to the

4439
03:16:06,229 --> 03:16:02,479
ending of this

4440
03:16:09,910 --> 03:16:06,239
which is 13 days later um you and

4441
03:16:12,150 --> 03:16:09,920
tashbar say goodbye how does that happen

4442
03:16:13,750 --> 03:16:12,160
well when uh i returned back from

4443
03:16:16,630 --> 03:16:13,760
flagstaff

4444
03:16:19,510 --> 03:16:16,640
my parents decided to fly back with me

4445
03:16:22,550 --> 03:16:19,520
because they were all very concerned

4446
03:16:23,349 --> 03:16:22,560
about my mental state

4447
03:16:24,150 --> 03:16:23,359
and

4448
03:16:26,630 --> 03:16:24,160
so

4449
03:16:29,990 --> 03:16:26,640
my wife and my mother

4450
03:16:32,389 --> 03:16:30,000
had been secretly communicating without

4451
03:16:35,190 --> 03:16:32,399
my knowledge

4452
03:16:37,030 --> 03:16:35,200
and my mother had basically diagnosed me

4453
03:16:37,990 --> 03:16:37,040
as bipolar

4454
03:16:40,550 --> 03:16:38,000
and

4455
03:16:43,110 --> 03:16:40,560
my wife had contacted the university of

4456
03:16:45,590 --> 03:16:43,120
michigan hospital and because we had

4457
03:16:48,469 --> 03:16:45,600
been significant donors

4458
03:16:49,670 --> 03:16:48,479
uh we were able to get a

4459
03:16:52,870 --> 03:16:49,680
um

4460
03:16:56,309 --> 03:16:52,880
she was able i should say to get a

4461
03:16:58,550 --> 03:16:56,319
quick appointment with doctors there

4462
03:16:59,990 --> 03:16:58,560
and so when as soon as i returned from

4463
03:17:03,349 --> 03:17:00,000
flagstaff

4464
03:17:04,710 --> 03:17:03,359
which was the 25th of um

4465
03:17:07,990 --> 03:17:04,720
of november

4466
03:17:10,550 --> 03:17:08,000
on the 26th my wife had already made an

4467
03:17:13,670 --> 03:17:10,560
appointment for the hospital in ann

4468
03:17:16,389 --> 03:17:13,680
arbor for me to have a full physical and

4469
03:17:19,429 --> 03:17:16,399
psychiatric evaluation so

4470
03:17:23,030 --> 03:17:19,439
monday morning the 26th of november

4471
03:17:25,349 --> 03:17:23,040
my wife and my daughter drove me to ann

4472
03:17:28,469 --> 03:17:25,359
arbor from bloomfield hills

4473
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:28,479
and when i had the physical examination

4474
03:17:34,790 --> 03:17:32,720
in the morning i all the results were

4475
03:17:37,750 --> 03:17:34,800
confirming that i was a specimen of

4476
03:17:41,190 --> 03:17:37,760
health i mean i was in very good shape

4477
03:17:42,790 --> 03:17:41,200
i i was exercising and eating regularly

4478
03:17:45,190 --> 03:17:42,800
healthy foods

4479
03:17:49,190 --> 03:17:45,200
and and so there was nothing indicating

4480
03:17:50,790 --> 03:17:49,200
that i had a brain tumor or any other

4481
03:17:53,510 --> 03:17:50,800
health problem

4482
03:17:56,630 --> 03:17:53,520
but then in the afternoon and evening it

4483
03:17:58,150 --> 03:17:56,640
ended up late into the evening that a

4484
03:18:01,590 --> 03:17:58,160
um

4485
03:18:03,269 --> 03:18:01,600
three psychiatrist evaluated me and they

4486
03:18:05,429 --> 03:18:03,279
they began with an interview of my

4487
03:18:07,750 --> 03:18:05,439
daughter and my wife and then i went in

4488
03:18:09,670 --> 03:18:07,760
for an interview and at the end of that

4489
03:18:12,710 --> 03:18:09,680
interview we were brought into a room

4490
03:18:15,590 --> 03:18:12,720
together with a big security guard

4491
03:18:17,750 --> 03:18:15,600
and i was informed that i would not be

4492
03:18:20,229 --> 03:18:17,760
returning home that evening that i was

4493
03:18:24,950 --> 03:18:20,239
being involuntarily committed

4494
03:18:27,990 --> 03:18:24,960
for my own safety and uh and i i asked

4495
03:18:28,950 --> 03:18:28,000
them i said well i am going home i'm i'm

4496
03:18:31,670 --> 03:18:28,960
you know

4497
03:18:34,070 --> 03:18:31,680
i i'm not staying here uh they said no

4498
03:18:36,790 --> 03:18:34,080
in the state of michigan a psychiatrist

4499
03:18:39,190 --> 03:18:36,800
who deems you a harm a possible harm to

4500
03:18:41,429 --> 03:18:39,200
yourself and others can

4501
03:18:42,950 --> 03:18:41,439
involuntarily commit you and there's

4502
03:18:44,550 --> 03:18:42,960
nothing you can do about it and i said

4503
03:18:46,150 --> 03:18:44,560
well i want to call my lawyer right now

4504
03:18:48,469 --> 03:18:46,160
and they said you do not have a right to

4505
03:18:51,590 --> 03:18:48,479
a lawyer and this is true this is true

4506
03:18:54,790 --> 03:18:51,600
in michigan that uh if a psychiatrist

4507
03:18:56,150 --> 03:18:54,800
deems you a security risk or a you know

4508
03:18:57,030 --> 03:18:56,160
a health risk

4509
03:18:59,830 --> 03:18:57,040
uh

4510
03:19:02,150 --> 03:18:59,840
as a violent person who's either

4511
03:19:05,269 --> 03:19:02,160
suicidal or

4512
03:19:07,349 --> 03:19:05,279
going to harm other people physically

4513
03:19:09,510 --> 03:19:07,359
they can commit you and you don't even

4514
03:19:12,550 --> 03:19:09,520
have a right to a lawyer

4515
03:19:15,190 --> 03:19:12,560
and i had not been violent i had not

4516
03:19:16,950 --> 03:19:15,200
been in any way

4517
03:19:19,590 --> 03:19:16,960
suicidal

4518
03:19:21,190 --> 03:19:19,600
i was actually telling my story to the

4519
03:19:22,309 --> 03:19:21,200
psychiatrist

4520
03:19:24,309 --> 03:19:22,319
in a very

4521
03:19:25,349 --> 03:19:24,319
you know matter-of-fact way i was and i

4522
03:19:30,469 --> 03:19:25,359
was

4523
03:19:32,229 --> 03:19:30,479
i at one point said you know he's right

4524
03:19:33,429 --> 03:19:32,239
here would you like to ask him a

4525
03:19:36,150 --> 03:19:33,439
question

4526
03:19:38,630 --> 03:19:36,160
and you know kind of because he was

4527
03:19:41,990 --> 03:19:38,640
blowing my mind with these amazing

4528
03:19:43,990 --> 03:19:42,000
pearls of wisdom and and philosophy and

4529
03:19:45,349 --> 03:19:44,000
the nature of reality and consciousness

4530
03:19:47,990 --> 03:19:45,359
and i thought maybe

4531
03:19:49,110 --> 03:19:48,000
that they would dig it you know i

4532
03:19:51,590 --> 03:19:49,120
but um

4533
03:19:53,950 --> 03:19:51,600
that was very naive of me of course and

4534
03:19:55,510 --> 03:19:53,960
it resulted in my being

4535
03:19:56,550 --> 03:19:55,520
institutionalized

4536
03:20:00,309 --> 03:19:56,560
and so

4537
03:20:01,670 --> 03:20:00,319
i this the the 26th of november that

4538
03:20:04,389 --> 03:20:01,680
that well the

4539
03:20:07,750 --> 03:20:04,399
yeah that was the day i was committed

4540
03:20:09,990 --> 03:20:07,760
and this is now the 11th day of my

4541
03:20:11,670 --> 03:20:10,000
communion experience so

4542
03:20:14,550 --> 03:20:11,680
the last

4543
03:20:17,269 --> 03:20:14,560
two three days of my communion

4544
03:20:19,190 --> 03:20:17,279
took place in the mental

4545
03:20:21,030 --> 03:20:19,200
ward of the

4546
03:20:23,190 --> 03:20:21,040
you know the uh

4547
03:20:27,030 --> 03:20:23,200
university of michigan hospital and he

4548
03:20:28,910 --> 03:20:27,040
left me at three a.m on the morning of

4549
03:20:31,750 --> 03:20:28,920
the

4550
03:20:34,309 --> 03:20:31,760
29th of november

4551
03:20:35,590 --> 03:20:34,319
and and how did you guys say goodbye how

4552
03:20:37,429 --> 03:20:35,600
did that happen

4553
03:20:40,070 --> 03:20:37,439
well i was asleep

4554
03:20:42,469 --> 03:20:40,080
and i uh had this

4555
03:20:43,910 --> 03:20:42,479
lucid dream it was a very

4556
03:20:46,630 --> 03:20:43,920
very uh

4557
03:20:48,070 --> 03:20:46,640
it was almost like i was awake

4558
03:20:50,790 --> 03:20:48,080
and uh

4559
03:20:53,590 --> 03:20:50,800
the dream began with me following this

4560
03:20:55,750 --> 03:20:53,600
man who was uh

4561
03:20:56,710 --> 03:20:55,760
wearing nothing but

4562
03:21:18,550 --> 03:20:56,720
a

4563
03:21:22,150 --> 03:21:18,560
uh

4564
03:21:23,590 --> 03:21:22,160
he was an older man he had a torch in

4565
03:21:25,429 --> 03:21:23,600
his hand

4566
03:21:28,309 --> 03:21:25,439
and i was following him down this

4567
03:21:30,550 --> 03:21:28,319
corridor and we came to this uh fork in

4568
03:21:32,790 --> 03:21:30,560
the corridor like a dead end but that

4569
03:21:35,190 --> 03:21:32,800
with one going one way going to the

4570
03:21:38,070 --> 03:21:35,200
right and one one way going to the left

4571
03:21:39,110 --> 03:21:38,080
and we took the left

4572
03:21:40,950 --> 03:21:39,120
turn

4573
03:21:42,469 --> 03:21:40,960
and we continued down this corridor and

4574
03:21:43,510 --> 03:21:42,479
this corridor

4575
03:21:46,070 --> 03:21:43,520
is

4576
03:21:47,269 --> 03:21:46,080
the walls are made up of these very

4577
03:21:49,670 --> 03:21:47,279
large

4578
03:21:52,309 --> 03:21:49,680
blocks like the blocks at the great

4579
03:21:54,790 --> 03:21:52,319
pyramid if you've ever been in giza and

4580
03:21:57,190 --> 03:21:54,800
um so there there are these huge

4581
03:21:59,990 --> 03:21:57,200
limestone blocks

4582
03:22:02,229 --> 03:22:00,000
and uh i'm just following this guy and

4583
03:22:03,670 --> 03:22:02,239
we're not saying anything to each other

4584
03:22:05,190 --> 03:22:03,680
and then

4585
03:22:08,070 --> 03:22:05,200
we end up

4586
03:22:10,229 --> 03:22:08,080
open this corridor ends and opens up in

4587
03:22:12,710 --> 03:22:10,239
the large chamber room

4588
03:22:14,790 --> 03:22:12,720
and on the other side of this large room

4589
03:22:16,550 --> 03:22:14,800
there is an elevated

4590
03:22:19,349 --> 03:22:16,560
floor or stage

4591
03:22:22,229 --> 03:22:19,359
with these two steps leading up to that

4592
03:22:25,510 --> 03:22:22,239
stage and on the stage or on that

4593
03:22:27,429 --> 03:22:25,520
elevated floor is a small altar

4594
03:22:28,710 --> 03:22:27,439
made of three stones

4595
03:22:31,590 --> 03:22:28,720
one

4596
03:22:35,269 --> 03:22:31,600
that's horizontal and two

4597
03:22:39,110 --> 03:22:35,279
uh vertical that the horizontal stone is

4598
03:22:41,429 --> 03:22:39,120
resting on very primitive basic altar

4599
03:22:42,389 --> 03:22:41,439
so i follow him up the steps to the

4600
03:22:47,830 --> 03:22:42,399
altar

4601
03:22:50,630 --> 03:22:47,840
then he lays down on the ground in front

4602
03:22:53,750 --> 03:22:50,640
of the altar closes his eyes and he

4603
03:22:56,950 --> 03:22:53,760
begins what i think is moaning

4604
03:22:59,990 --> 03:22:56,960
he begins doing this

4605
03:23:02,950 --> 03:23:00,000
like like a gnome sound what but

4606
03:23:05,590 --> 03:23:02,960
he had this expression on his face like

4607
03:23:08,790 --> 03:23:05,600
he was in pain but now i know it wasn't

4608
03:23:11,590 --> 03:23:08,800
pain what he was doing was hewing you

4609
03:23:13,110 --> 03:23:11,600
know i do this meditation i call the hue

4610
03:23:15,429 --> 03:23:13,120
and i didn't

4611
03:23:18,389 --> 03:23:15,439
understand that until about a year later

4612
03:23:20,950 --> 03:23:18,399
when i joined ekkankar at the behest of

4613
03:23:23,190 --> 03:23:20,960
tejbar he encouraged me to join ekkankar

4614
03:23:25,190 --> 03:23:23,200
in 2013.

4615
03:23:28,229 --> 03:23:25,200
and um but

4616
03:23:29,830 --> 03:23:28,239
the eckists as they call themselves do a

4617
03:23:31,830 --> 03:23:29,840
spiritual practice in which they

4618
03:23:33,190 --> 03:23:31,840
meditate and they sing a note they call

4619
03:23:35,429 --> 03:23:33,200
the hue

4620
03:23:37,590 --> 03:23:35,439
and that's what he was doing

4621
03:23:41,030 --> 03:23:37,600
and as he's laying on the ground hewing

4622
03:23:44,630 --> 03:23:41,040
with his eyes closed my abdomen

4623
03:23:47,190 --> 03:23:44,640
begins vibrating as i'm asleep and this

4624
03:23:48,870 --> 03:23:47,200
vibration begins to expand all the way

4625
03:23:51,750 --> 03:23:48,880
to the tip of my head and down to the

4626
03:23:54,950 --> 03:23:51,760
tip of my toes and a crescendo is

4627
03:23:58,550 --> 03:23:54,960
reached where my whole body is vibrating

4628
03:23:59,750 --> 03:23:58,560
and i suddenly wake up and i shout i go

4629
03:24:01,830 --> 03:23:59,760
yeah

4630
03:24:02,630 --> 03:24:01,840
really loud

4631
03:24:06,630 --> 03:24:02,640
and

4632
03:24:09,750 --> 03:24:06,640
when i wake up after yelling yaw

4633
03:24:13,590 --> 03:24:09,760
i realize that tesh bar is gone there's

4634
03:24:15,990 --> 03:24:13,600
this void in my body you know that once

4635
03:24:19,269 --> 03:24:16,000
was occupied by tejbar

4636
03:24:21,830 --> 03:24:19,279
and in the room in my my room in the

4637
03:24:24,870 --> 03:24:21,840
psych ward of the university of michigan

4638
03:24:27,110 --> 03:24:24,880
hospital above the door there is a large

4639
03:24:28,790 --> 03:24:27,120
led clock

4640
03:24:30,630 --> 03:24:28,800
a red clock

4641
03:24:33,990 --> 03:24:30,640
and i look at the clock and it is

4642
03:24:36,150 --> 03:24:34,000
exactly 3 am

4643
03:24:37,190 --> 03:24:36,160
i'll never forget that

4644
03:24:39,110 --> 03:24:37,200
and

4645
03:24:43,910 --> 03:24:39,120
i

4646
03:24:44,950 --> 03:24:43,920
you know

4647
03:24:45,830 --> 03:24:44,960
taking

4648
03:24:50,790 --> 03:24:45,840
a

4649
03:24:56,950 --> 03:24:50,800
this

4650
03:24:59,349 --> 03:24:56,960
that i had been having for 13 days was

4651
03:25:01,349 --> 03:24:59,359
now much different there was a almost a

4652
03:25:03,750 --> 03:25:01,359
feeling of loss

4653
03:25:05,110 --> 03:25:03,760
um and i recognized that he was no

4654
03:25:09,110 --> 03:25:05,120
longer with me

4655
03:25:11,349 --> 03:25:09,120
and so that was the end of my 13 days

4656
03:25:13,670 --> 03:25:11,359
that is

4657
03:25:15,429 --> 03:25:13,680
that's incredible i mean all of it all

4658
03:25:16,630 --> 03:25:15,439
of it is incredible

4659
03:25:18,870 --> 03:25:16,640
and

4660
03:25:20,550 --> 03:25:18,880
i cannot wait

4661
03:25:22,630 --> 03:25:20,560
for the next time

4662
03:25:26,469 --> 03:25:22,640
that you're on the show i i just can't

4663
03:25:28,950 --> 03:25:26,479
wait and um and there there's so much

4664
03:25:31,030 --> 03:25:28,960
follow-up here uh you know when we've

4665
03:25:32,550 --> 03:25:31,040
been on the air now for three and a half

4666
03:25:33,349 --> 03:25:32,560
hours so

4667
03:25:35,030 --> 03:25:33,359
uh

4668
03:25:37,110 --> 03:25:35,040
all of this will continue there's just

4669
03:25:38,790 --> 03:25:37,120
so much more to discuss

4670
03:25:40,630 --> 03:25:38,800
but mark i want to tell you you've got

4671
03:25:42,469 --> 03:25:40,640
the brightest eyes

4672
03:25:44,309 --> 03:25:42,479
the biggest smile

4673
03:25:46,070 --> 03:25:44,319
the most positive

4674
03:25:48,150 --> 03:25:46,080
thing that goes on about you that

4675
03:25:49,429 --> 03:25:48,160
everybody comments on and i do and i

4676
03:25:51,349 --> 03:25:49,439
joke about it

4677
03:25:53,429 --> 03:25:51,359
uh because you glow

4678
03:25:55,590 --> 03:25:53,439
and uh

4679
03:25:58,710 --> 03:25:55,600
i think we all just uh achieved a

4680
03:26:01,590 --> 03:25:58,720
clearer understanding uh about you mark

4681
03:26:03,670 --> 03:26:01,600
sims and we are going to be doing this

4682
03:26:05,349 --> 03:26:03,680
big event we you know we just did all of

4683
03:26:07,110 --> 03:26:05,359
this show and we didn't talk about

4684
03:26:13,830 --> 03:26:07,120
making contact

4685
03:26:14,710 --> 03:26:13,840
through the 22nd

4686
03:26:18,469 --> 03:26:14,720
uh

4687
03:26:20,710 --> 03:26:18,479
we're gonna be doing this virtual event

4688
03:26:23,269 --> 03:26:20,720
and when i say virtual it's literally

4689
03:26:24,870 --> 03:26:23,279
virtual but it's not right

4690
03:26:25,830 --> 03:26:24,880
that's the other thing

4691
03:26:27,110 --> 03:26:25,840
um

4692
03:26:29,910 --> 03:26:27,120
but

4693
03:26:33,750 --> 03:26:29,920
i wanna end with this

4694
03:26:37,990 --> 03:26:33,760
you also have the ability to network

4695
03:26:39,429 --> 03:26:38,000
and who you have uh speaking at this

4696
03:26:42,790 --> 03:26:39,439
conference

4697
03:26:45,429 --> 03:26:42,800
is it's absolutely amazing and how are

4698
03:26:49,269 --> 03:26:45,439
you able to pull in like eric weinstein

4699
03:26:50,070 --> 03:26:49,279
right uh christopher mellon uh the this

4700
03:26:58,469 --> 03:26:50,080
this

4701
03:27:00,790 --> 03:26:58,479
well um to put it bluntly and succinctly

4702
03:27:03,590 --> 03:27:00,800
i am working with some

4703
03:27:06,229 --> 03:27:03,600
angels earth angels one of them being

4704
03:27:09,750 --> 03:27:06,239
daniel sheehan yes

4705
03:27:11,990 --> 03:27:09,760
who is one of the most remarkable human

4706
03:27:13,349 --> 03:27:12,000
beings that's ever existed on this

4707
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planet

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03:27:18,870 --> 03:27:17,439
and he is my mentor he is my um

4709
03:27:22,469 --> 03:27:18,880
role model

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03:27:24,309 --> 03:27:22,479
and i am so blessed to call him a dear

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03:27:27,190 --> 03:27:24,319
friend i love him

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03:27:30,229 --> 03:27:27,200
as i love a father um

4713
03:27:32,630 --> 03:27:30,239
and he has had a lot to do with it

4714
03:27:34,229 --> 03:27:32,640
but there's also other

4715
03:27:37,349 --> 03:27:34,239
what i would call

4716
03:27:40,710 --> 03:27:37,359
angels involved here i believe that this

4717
03:27:43,510 --> 03:27:40,720
is being orchestrated at a higher level

4718
03:27:45,510 --> 03:27:43,520
in fact i'm most certain of it and i

4719
03:27:47,510 --> 03:27:45,520
think others that are close to me that

4720
03:27:49,429 --> 03:27:47,520
are working with me and i think danny

4721
03:27:52,150 --> 03:27:49,439
would agree um

4722
03:27:53,510 --> 03:27:52,160
that there seems to be a higher

4723
03:27:55,110 --> 03:27:53,520
uh power

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03:27:58,550 --> 03:27:55,120
that has

4725
03:28:01,750 --> 03:27:58,560
um you know pulled together

4726
03:28:03,349 --> 03:28:01,760
a team who want to make the world a

4727
03:28:05,269 --> 03:28:03,359
better place

4728
03:28:08,630 --> 03:28:05,279
and see

4729
03:28:10,389 --> 03:28:08,640
um that the time has come for a type of

4730
03:28:13,910 --> 03:28:10,399
an awakening

4731
03:28:16,870 --> 03:28:13,920
and that the human family is is now at

4732
03:28:19,269 --> 03:28:16,880
the cusp of a new

4733
03:28:22,830 --> 03:28:19,279
the dawning of a new era

4734
03:28:25,990 --> 03:28:22,840
and that era is making contact

4735
03:28:28,469 --> 03:28:26,000
with our star family

4736
03:28:31,670 --> 03:28:28,479
it's it's just that simple

4737
03:28:34,229 --> 03:28:31,680
that et's are here

4738
03:28:36,550 --> 03:28:34,239
they've always been here

4739
03:28:37,670 --> 03:28:36,560
they've been aloof and reclusive to be

4740
03:28:41,190 --> 03:28:37,680
sure

4741
03:28:44,389 --> 03:28:41,200
that the mystery of why they've been so

4742
03:28:48,710 --> 03:28:44,399
aloof is about to be revealed

4743
03:28:51,349 --> 03:28:48,720
and the story of our history the planet

4744
03:28:52,550 --> 03:28:51,359
of the human being and its evolution on

4745
03:28:55,830 --> 03:28:52,560
this planet

4746
03:28:56,950 --> 03:28:55,840
and of our intimate relationship and

4747
03:29:00,070 --> 03:28:56,960
connection

4748
03:29:02,309 --> 03:29:00,080
with these extraterrestrials be they

4749
03:29:05,110 --> 03:29:02,319
physical beings from other star systems

4750
03:29:08,790 --> 03:29:05,120
that are technically and intellectually

4751
03:29:10,870 --> 03:29:08,800
far more advanced than we humans or

4752
03:29:13,349 --> 03:29:10,880
higher dimensional beings

4753
03:29:15,590 --> 03:29:13,359
that we cannot physically see with our

4754
03:29:16,550 --> 03:29:15,600
eyes but are nonetheless

4755
03:29:20,870 --> 03:29:16,560
very

4756
03:29:23,910 --> 03:29:20,880
existence

4757
03:29:27,030 --> 03:29:23,920
are about to show themselves to us

4758
03:29:30,309 --> 03:29:27,040
and all we need to do is simply come

4759
03:29:31,269 --> 03:29:30,319
together in a spirit of unity and of

4760
03:29:33,429 --> 03:29:31,279
peace

4761
03:29:35,910 --> 03:29:33,439
and of harmony and love

4762
03:29:38,790 --> 03:29:35,920
and make a call to them

4763
03:29:40,229 --> 03:29:38,800
to reach out and they will respond they

4764
03:29:46,070 --> 03:29:40,239
will

4765
03:29:49,510 --> 03:29:46,080
that's what this is about this is a

4766
03:29:50,710 --> 03:29:49,520
major historic event

4767
03:29:53,910 --> 03:29:50,720
that

4768
03:29:56,309 --> 03:29:53,920
will be looked back you know hundreds

4769
03:29:58,389 --> 03:29:56,319
thousands of years ago that this may be

4770
03:30:00,550 --> 03:29:58,399
one of those moments in human history

4771
03:30:03,910 --> 03:30:00,560
where it all began right and that will

4772
03:30:06,550 --> 03:30:03,920
be the making contact convergence

4773
03:30:09,110 --> 03:30:06,560
so if anybody's listening and wants to

4774
03:30:11,670 --> 03:30:09,120
be a part of it that is going to take

4775
03:30:13,830 --> 03:30:11,680
place on a virtual 3d

4776
03:30:16,790 --> 03:30:13,840
platform it's kind of like second life

4777
03:30:19,750 --> 03:30:16,800
but not quite as realistic or as

4778
03:30:22,630 --> 03:30:19,760
sophisticated as real life but it's a

4779
03:30:25,269 --> 03:30:22,640
virtual conference center it's a campus

4780
03:30:26,309 --> 03:30:25,279
where you can create an avatar and

4781
03:30:29,510 --> 03:30:26,319
attend

4782
03:30:32,630 --> 03:30:29,520
presentations by these remarkable people

4783
03:30:36,150 --> 03:30:32,640
who will be telling lecturing uh and we

4784
03:30:39,750 --> 03:30:36,160
will be discussing the philosophical

4785
03:30:42,389 --> 03:30:39,760
philo the theological the psychological

4786
03:30:44,790 --> 03:30:42,399
cultural and political implications

4787
03:30:47,510 --> 03:30:44,800
of making contact with

4788
03:30:50,790 --> 03:30:47,520
off-world intelligences

4789
03:30:53,190 --> 03:30:50,800
mark sims thank you so much my friend

4790
03:30:56,710 --> 03:30:53,200
and i look forward to our phone call

4791
03:30:58,710 --> 03:30:56,720
tomorrow it's going to be a great one

4792
03:31:01,030 --> 03:30:58,720
all right thank you so much jimmy you're

4793
03:31:03,190 --> 03:31:01,040
the best uh thank you so much mark and

4794
03:31:05,870 --> 03:31:03,200
thank you for the conversation tonight

4795
03:31:07,429 --> 03:31:05,880
and again everybody it's

4796
03:31:09,590 --> 03:31:07,439
makingcontact.com

4797
03:31:13,110 --> 03:31:09,600
mark gave us a promo code for all of you

4798
03:31:14,630 --> 03:31:13,120
fader knots it's jimmy save 100 is it

4799
03:31:19,830 --> 03:31:14,640
all uppercase

4800
03:31:22,309 --> 03:31:19,840
save 100.

4801
03:31:24,550 --> 03:31:22,319
the the the standard price for the

4802
03:31:28,389 --> 03:31:24,560
ticket is 249.

4803
03:31:31,429 --> 03:31:28,399
you'll save a hundred dollars so for 149

4804
03:31:34,309 --> 03:31:31,439
you can participate in a historic event

4805
03:31:35,349 --> 03:31:34,319
we are limiting this to 2 000 ticket

4806
03:31:37,590 --> 03:31:35,359
holders

4807
03:31:39,670 --> 03:31:37,600
and so please you know go grab them

4808
03:31:42,309 --> 03:31:39,680
while you can because you will be

4809
03:31:44,469 --> 03:31:42,319
participating in something that will go

4810
03:31:45,830 --> 03:31:44,479
down in the annals of history as one of

4811
03:31:48,630 --> 03:31:45,840
those

4812
03:31:51,269 --> 03:31:48,640
moments in history that it all began and

4813
03:31:53,990 --> 03:31:51,279
we have you know whitley strieber is

4814
03:31:55,349 --> 03:31:54,000
going to be there marshall summers linda

4815
03:31:57,590 --> 03:31:55,359
moulton howe

4816
03:31:59,510 --> 03:31:57,600
uh ray hernandez

4817
03:32:01,910 --> 03:31:59,520
uh barbara lamb

4818
03:32:05,670 --> 03:32:01,920
uh of course danny sheehan

4819
03:32:08,309 --> 03:32:05,680
ralph lubin blumenthal

4820
03:32:10,950 --> 03:32:08,319
he's he's the new york times journalist

4821
03:32:13,429 --> 03:32:10,960
who broke the story in 2017 about the

4822
03:32:15,269 --> 03:32:13,439
videos from the navy fighter planes

4823
03:32:19,670 --> 03:32:15,279
that's right ralph blumenthal richard

4824
03:32:22,309 --> 03:32:19,680
dolan christopher mellon lou elizondo

4825
03:32:24,070 --> 03:32:22,319
eric weinstein it's it's going to be an

4826
03:32:24,790 --> 03:32:24,080
extraordinary event

4827
03:32:32,870 --> 03:32:24,800
and

4828
03:32:35,269 --> 03:32:32,880
on august 18th

4829
03:32:36,790 --> 03:32:35,279
thank you so much mark all the best and

4830
03:32:37,750 --> 03:32:36,800
again i can't wait for our phone call

4831
03:32:40,229 --> 03:32:37,760
tomorrow

4832
03:32:42,550 --> 03:32:40,239
get some rest i'll talk to you

4833
03:32:44,630 --> 03:32:42,560
what about what a great night here on

4834
03:32:47,429 --> 03:32:44,640
fade to black it's going to be historic

4835
03:32:51,429 --> 03:32:47,439
on august 18th i think it was historic

4836
03:32:55,190 --> 03:32:51,439
tonight mark sims again mark sims

4837
03:32:56,950 --> 03:32:55,200
dot com and makingcontact.com

4838
03:32:58,550 --> 03:32:56,960
and i'm gonna get straight to the

4839
03:33:00,229 --> 03:32:58,560
credits

4840
03:33:02,870 --> 03:33:00,239
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03:33:05,349 --> 03:33:02,880
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03:33:07,670 --> 03:33:05,359
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03:33:10,710 --> 03:33:09,680
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4845
03:33:14,070 --> 03:33:10,720
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03:33:15,990 --> 03:33:14,080
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03:33:17,670 --> 03:33:16,000
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03:33:21,590 --> 03:33:19,520
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03:33:23,750 --> 03:33:21,600
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03:33:25,590 --> 03:33:23,760
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03:33:27,269 --> 03:33:25,600
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03:33:28,790 --> 03:33:27,279
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03:33:30,710 --> 03:33:28,800
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03:33:31,990 --> 03:33:30,720
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03:33:36,870 --> 03:33:34,000
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4858
03:33:39,269 --> 03:33:36,880
tomorrow night right here peter robbins

4859
03:33:41,510 --> 03:33:39,279
i want to thank mark sims

4860
03:33:42,950 --> 03:33:41,520
until tomorrow night i want everybody to

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03:33:50,310 --> 03:33:42,960
be safe

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03:33:50,320 --> 03:33:58,360
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